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Old 03-22-2018, 03:38 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The U.S.'s "One China Policy" is somewhat misnamed. It says that the U.S. supports the peaceful, voluntary reunification of Taiwan with mainland China.

That sounds like we're fine with reunification. But actually it says we are fine with it IF TAIWAN AND CHINA BOTH WANT IT. That's what "voluntary" and "peaceful" means.

China does, obviously. But Taiwan wants no part of rejoining China, and never has since a few million Chinese fled their country to go to Taiwan after WWII. They were fleeing the coming Communist rule under a newcomer named Mao Zedong, who had successfully ousted nationalist Chaing Kai-shek.

Mainland China has referred to Taiwan as a "Renegade province" and other less polite names ever since, and still tries to claim Taiwan is officially part of China. Taiwan strongly disagrees.

China has always opposed the U.S. doing anything that might make it look like we are accepting Taiwan as an independent country. And the U.S. having direct, high-level talks with the Taiwanese government is one of those things.

But now Congress has passed legislation approving high-level talks, and President Trump signed it today.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.WrQjpuSUNes

Last time that happened in our own country's history was on July 4, 1776, when our congress approved U.S. independence from Great Britain. Britain's reaction is now well documented, as well as the long-term results. The U.S. hasn't gone quite that for now with Taiwan, but mainland China didn't want even any baby steps in that direction.

Sounds like they aren't getting what they wanted.

Buckle your seat belts.

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Trump signs Taiwan order despite warnings from China - Business Insider


Forget trade — the Trump administration just crossed a far more dangerous 'red line' with China


Linette Lopez
  • While everyone has been worrying about a trade war between the US and China, something far more dramatic has happened between the two countries.
  • President Donald Trump last week signed legislation to allow high-level talks between the US and Taiwan.
  • That crosses a "red line" for China, violating the "One China" policy the US has had with China since the Nixon administration.
Earlier this month, a scathing editorial in Chinese state media warned the US Senate not to pass the Taiwan Travel Act, legislation to permit high-level talks between US and Taiwanese officials.

Unless US President Donald Trump "is ready to see the by and large stable and so-far profitable relationship derailed, unless he is determined to plunge his country into a pointless, mutually damaging altercation, or worse, he should resist the seducement," the editorial said.

It added: "Unlike trade, though, Taiwan is a matter of sovereignty. For Beijing, it is a clearly defined core interest that is not negotiable."

Anyway, on Friday, Trump signed the bipartisan bill into law.
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Old 03-22-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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That's call leverage when dealing with mainland China.

China was supposed to preform a certain way economically with trade and militarily.

They failed expectations. The generals in the Trump admin. have been pressing the flesh with congess behind closed door for this change in US policy and/or attitude.
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Old 03-22-2018, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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Wonder if this was influenced in any way by China's recent "elections"?
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Old 03-22-2018, 03:56 PM
 
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Very good overview by Roboteer. This is a much bigger deal then folks are thinking. China takes this FAR far more seriously then most here seem to realize so far. Mix in the tariffs on China and we can expect a pretty angry response. This is NOT leverage. China will not bend on this at all. They will view it as a assault on their sovereignty.

Seriously, they are VERY serious about this. Its one of the things that will hit their nationalism buttons.
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Old 03-22-2018, 04:10 PM
 
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Very good overview by Roboteer. This is a much bigger deal then folks are thinking. China takes this FAR far more seriously then most here seem to realize so far. Mix in the tariffs on China and we can expect a pretty angry response. This is NOT leverage. China will not bend on this at all. They will view it as a assault on their sovereignty.

Seriously, they are VERY serious about this. Its one of the things that will hit their nationalism buttons.
Yeah this isn't really our fight and we are simply pissing in their face.

Very foolish.
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Old 03-22-2018, 04:41 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Yeah this isn't really our fight and we are simply pissing in their face.

Very foolish.
The usual misguided response.

Sure, it's important to China.

But its importance to China, is China's problem, not ours.

To us, it's about backing an ally. You know, the policy that pretty much took a back seat during the entire Obama administration, which was concerned with kissing the largest arse they could find, not worrying too much about policy.
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Old 03-22-2018, 08:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Wonder if this was influenced in any way by China's recent "elections"?
I would guess, more likely by China's longstanding habit of violating U.S copyrights, reproducing DVDs ny the millions, charging high tariffs on U.S. goods coming into China etc.

One of the posters here had it right. This is getting "leverage" on China. "If you keep doing things we don't like with full knowledge, we'll starting doing things you don't like, also with full knowledge."

Since China is not likely to EVER acknowledge Taiwan's independence, this gives the U.S. the freedom to embrace Taiwan as the ally they are.
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Old 03-22-2018, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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The big Kahuna in those parts is China not Taiwan....sorry bout that.
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Old 03-23-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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Why should china tell our top level people where they can and can’t go OUTSIDE of china!

Grow some balls people.
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Old 03-23-2018, 03:36 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Why should china tell our top level people where they can and can’t go OUTSIDE of china!

Grow some balls people.
We just did. That's the point of the article.
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