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Old 03-24-2018, 05:43 PM
 
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Trump and the Truth: A President Tests His Own Credibility
By Peter Baker

The lack of fidelity to facts has real-world consequences in both foreign affairs and domestic policymaking. Foreign diplomats and lawmakers of both parties say they do not assume anything he says is necessarily true...
Since Mr. Trump became a presidential candidate, PolitiFact has evaluated more than 500 assertions and found 69% of them mostly false, false or “pants on fire” false. By comparison, it judged 26% of the statements by Mr. Obama that it evaluated as false and the same percentage for those by Hillary Clinton...
While PolitiFact did not exist during most of President George W. Bush's tenure, it has found that 42% of statements that it examined by Senator John McCain of Arizona and former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, the two previous Republican presidential nominees, were false. The party’s congressional leaders, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and House Speaker Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, judged on far fewer statements, were both at similar levels, 43% and 41%...
Trump claimed to earn $1 million from a speech when it was $400,000. He claimed to be worth $3.5 billion when seeking a bank loan, four times what the bank eventually found.

For the complete article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/17/u...ruth-lies.html


I can't help also adding that although this article is about Trump's incessant lying, the statistics tend to indicate that Republicans lie much more than Democrats.


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Old 03-24-2018, 07:35 PM
 
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I can't help also adding that although this article is about Trump's incessant lying, the statistics tend to indicate that Republicans lie much more than Democrats.
Yes, it is all part of the method of manipulating working people and ordinary consumers into supporting an agenda which hurts them in the long run.

Deception and obfuscation are necessary tools in the kitbag for that sort of work.

Witness Kellyanne Conway, a typical Republican political consultant, and her codeword 'alternative' facts. The phrase rolls off her tongue so readily and smoothly she forgot herself before she realized that the rest of the world would recognize that as 'lies'.
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Old 03-24-2018, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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It's an unreasonable expectation, that anyone could be successful as a republican politician, without doing a lot of lying. How could truth be presented and still invoke an agenda, that takes away rights and resources, from all except an elite group, at the top of the heap?
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Old 03-24-2018, 09:43 PM
 
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Trump lies about so much that it's impossible to take him seriously anymore.
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Old 03-29-2018, 06:47 PM
 
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Trump lies about so much that it's impossible to take him seriously anymore.
Well, I never took him seriously, and that's true of many others, too. But his supporters seem willing to blindly follow him off any cliff.
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Old 03-29-2018, 07:57 PM
 
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Well, I never took him seriously, and that's true of many others, too. But his supporters seem willing to blindly follow him off any cliff.
On a related note, there's an article in this month's Atlantic, written by a lifelong Evangelical Republican, about the relationship between the President and Evangelical Christians has developed and been maintained that I found very thoughtful and interesting. Worth reading if you're looking for more than sound bites.

The Last Tempetation

How evangelicals, once culturally confident, became an anxious minority seeking political protection from the least traditionally religious president in living memory
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:23 AM
 
Location: NC
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leftist rag does not like Trump, this is news?
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:31 AM
 
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Trump and the Truth: A President Tests His Own Credibility
By Peter Baker

The lack of fidelity to facts has real-world consequences in both foreign affairs and domestic policymaking. Foreign diplomats and lawmakers of both parties say they do not assume anything he says is necessarily true...
Since Mr. Trump became a presidential candidate, PolitiFact has evaluated more than 500 assertions and found 69% of them mostly false, false or “pants on fire” false. By comparison, it judged 26% of the statements by Mr. Obama that it evaluated as false and the same percentage for those by Hillary Clinton...
While PolitiFact did not exist during most of President George W. Bush's tenure, it has found that 42% of statements that it examined by Senator John McCain of Arizona and former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, the two previous Republican presidential nominees, were false. The party’s congressional leaders, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and House Speaker Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, judged on far fewer statements, were both at similar levels, 43% and 41%...
Trump claimed to earn $1 million from a speech when it was $400,000. He claimed to be worth $3.5 billion when seeking a bank loan, four times what the bank eventually found.

For the complete article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/17/u...ruth-lies.html


I can't help also adding that although this article is about Trump's incessant lying, the statistics tend to indicate that Republicans lie much more than Democrats.


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Republicans have won the lying contest for decades.

On his deathbed, Lee Atwater regretted how he had poisoned political discourse with lies.

Interestingly enough, Roger Stone (former Nixon "dirty trickster" and one of Trump's closest advisors), and Manafort formed a lobbying practice in the '80s. They are pictured here with Lee Atwater.

Interactive Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump
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Old 03-30-2018, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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silly librols, it's not false if you repeat the statement over and over and give the AOK sign with your stubby little fingers
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Old 03-30-2018, 01:46 PM
 
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silly librols, it's not false if you repeat the statement over and over and give the AOK sign with your stubby little fingers
Every time I see Trump flash that hand sign that means "White Power" to some, I wonder if he even knows what he's doing or if this is just something Miller put him up to.
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