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Just because someone is a Veteran, doesn't make them an expert on guns, nor types of guns. Most veterans were support people, not combat personnel that actually used guns, artillery, aircraft, etc.
Semi automatic firearms started to see widespread manufacturer, and gained popularity at the turn of the last century. So, they have been around well over 100 years, yet only now do people want to ban them. They are common use, popular firearms that only do harm when a human decides to pick them up, and use them ILLEGALLY.
I struggle to come out strong on gun control because I don't know enough about the guns, the laws, etc..
I don't know enough about the weapons and the obvious grey areas of defining a weapon of war and a gun for protection or hunting.
BUT....what makes it even more confusing for me is for every person who is screaming that any controls will lead to guns being taken away by force -- there is a veteran who has served our country, has guns, likes having his guns, who is adamant that there are certain guns available for sale now that shouldn't be.
Who do I believe -- the emotional plea not 'to take my guns away' or the veteran who is for the Second Amendment, knows and uses guns, etc.
Guess which one
With all due respect, judging by the choice of words here, you sound like an emotional one. Just sayin'
The AK IS a FULLY AUTO rifle and is NOT purchased often "at the local sporting good store."
They CAN be bought but is very expensive to get a permit for one.
AK-47's and their variants, are sold everyday here in the USA. They are not capable as sold for select fire.
They are the same price as a compatibly configured AR.
"You don't think people dying needlessly should be addressed? "
Don't be an a.ss.
I have posted MULTIPLE times about the issue.
The question I ALWAYS ask is, are YOU concerned about "people dying needlessly", or JUST from guns?
MORE people die from car accident, swimming pools, blunt installments etc. yet we ONLY hear about guns.
So, I will ask you, is it deaths or only gun deaths for you?
If it is only guns why do't you go after the D.A's who plea bargain down the using of a gun as the FIRST thing they do?
Why aren'y you going after the releasing of people who HAVE used a gun in the act of crime from "A day off for every GOOD day served", to " day ADDED for every BAD day served?
Why aren't you going after the repeat offenders?
Parlkland was BECAUSE of NOT following the EXISTING LAWS.
GO to the SOURCE of these problems and quit trying to punish the hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens for the actions of a few WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED.
If you die by the end of a gun, someone was preying on you in the first place, or you were asking for it by oppressing someone, or you wanted to die that day. Probably better and certainly more humane than being stoned to death.
I have to agree with the poster Pilot here. Just because somebody are veterans, doesn't mean they are weapon experts. Even if they have owned guns, doesn't mean their opinions automatically carry more weight.
Likewise, just because someone was in another building near where a tragedy occurred does not mean their opinions automatically carry more weight on the topic of tragedy. David Hogg is no more a moral authority on tragedy than you or I.
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I think you choose to believe whom you want to believe.
Indeed, because cognitive dissonance hurts. It is the rare person who appreciates having their ideas and beliefs challenged, hence the popularity of echo chambers.
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For every one veteran who believes there are certain weapons should be restricted, there is another veteran who has a different opinion.
I'd agree, but understand the number of veterans who handle a weapon on any regular basis is extremely small as a percent of the people who serve in the military. People tasked with being marksman level proficient with rifles/pistols are even more rare. That's a big reason why veteran opinions on firearms are wildly divergent - the military exposure to weapons among all who serve is also wildly divergent.
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I personally don't know any veterans who believe taking AR15 away from everybody is the solution. But then again, I am not saying their opinions are gold. They don't even own AR15. Many have parts, so that they can make their own weapon.
I don't know that many veterans outside my own group of friends, but none of us believe removing/limiting rights is a solution to any problem, KBA included.
Likewise, just because someone was in another building near where a tragedy occurred does not mean their opinions automatically carry more weight on the topic of tragedy. David Hogg is no more a moral authority on tragedy than you or I.
Indeed, because cognitive dissonance hurts. It is the rare person who appreciates having their ideas and beliefs challenged, hence the popularity of echo chambers.
I'd agree, but understand the number of veterans who handle a weapon on any regular basis is extremely small as a percent of the people who serve in the military. People tasked with being marksman level proficient with rifles/pistols are even more rare. That's a big reason why veteran opinions on firearms are wildly divergent - the military exposure to weapons among all who serve is also wildly divergent.
I don't know that many veterans outside my own group of friends, but none of us believe removing/limiting rights is a solution to any problem, KBA included.
uh huh
Not sure how do you want me to respond? How about I don't disagree with you because I have said similar things?
I'd agree, but understand the number of veterans who handle a weapon on any regular basis is extremely small as a percent of the people who serve in the military. People tasked with being marksman level proficient with rifles/pistols are even more rare. That's a big reason why veteran opinions on firearms are wildly divergent - the military exposure to weapons among all who serve is also wildly divergent.
It's an interesting bit of misinformed thinking that everyone, or a majority of those in the military have extensive training/use of weapons. That's not even true in the Marine Corps. Until I went to Law Enforcement school, which was just shy of 7 years in, I had fired maybe 50 rounds through a pistol, and none of it was for score, just to say I had fired the bullets and was therefore "trained and proficient."
Even in LE school and follow on duty was not that rigorous with actual training with and handling weapons. We did a quarterly pistol "qualification" that required firing 12 rounds from 2x 6 round magazines, and 7 of them had to hit anywhere on a man sized silhouette at 7 yards.
My extensive training was because I kept getting selected/volunteered for specialized reaction/augment security stuff for my base and as part of a rotating group of designated security specialists for other bases who didn't have the Norfolk Naval Base size and number of personnel, so I had to do tactical stuff with rifles, pistols and shotguns, various courses like shipboard and urban CQC, etc. But on a base of tens of thousands of people, we were like 20-25 total bodies attached to 5-6 man Marine detachment who acted as our liaisons with the civilian police and the security detachments at other bases. Point being, we were a very tiny minority.
I could actually see veterans being anti-gun by simple majority. It's a much more controlled environment on most bases than in normal everyday America, so seeing/being near firearms would be even more rare than in normal everyday America.
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