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Old 03-26-2018, 08:02 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Actually, 42% of all households have at least one gun owner. (Pew Research)

And the gun crime rates have DECREASED, SIGNIFICANTLY since the number of guns owned by Americans has increased, significantly. That should be telling you something. When those who wish to do so arm themselves, gun crimes rates go DOWN.

Others, of course, are free to not own guns as they wish.

Bottom line: Guns AREN'T the problem.
If we're going to play the statistics game, let's do another:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

America has more guns per 100 citizens than any other nation on the planet, and ranks quite high in the list of homicides with firearms, beaten out only by broken nations or ones struggling with serious problems.

So, if we're going to just toss statistics around, I can say this proves guns ARE the problem.

Are guns really the only problem? Of course not - but it is more absurd to pretend guns aren't part of the issue. Again, you have no facts to support your claim regarding the decrease in gun violence. Just casual correlation of data that fits your narrative.

Hell, obesity rates are near an all time high, and violent crime is generally decreasing. Maybe people are too obese to commit crime anymore - that makes about as much sense as your claim that "criminals are too scared of all those gun-toting people to commit crime."
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Old 03-27-2018, 02:54 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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OP: Correlation is not Causation.
Irrelevant. There is NO LINK WHATSOEVER between an increase in gun ownership and a commensurate increase in gun crime rates. In fact, the exact opposite is true.

Americans owning more guns DOES NOT result in higher gun crime rates.


Guns AREN'T the problem. And the poll posted in the OP reflects the public's knowledge of that fact.
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Old 03-27-2018, 03:28 AM
 
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If we're going to play the statistics game, let's do another:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

America has more guns per 100 citizens than any other nation on the planet, and ranks quite high in the list of homicides with firearms, beaten out only by broken nations or ones struggling with serious problems.
Gun homicides are disproportionately committed by a certain U.S. demographic group: Blacks

Just as all Blacks can't be blamed for the egregiously high rate of gun homicides committed by Blacks, all gun owners can't be blamed for the U.S.'s gun homicide rate.

The problem? Criminals, who don't/wouldn't obey laws anyway. Adding more gun control laws will have no effect on them whatsoever. They'll continue killing with guns. Who doesn't know that? /SMH
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Old 03-27-2018, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Ok, let's look at polls. Let's look at a Fox News poll, so nobody can claim liberal bias.

"...A majority of voters in a new poll thinks it is more important to prevent gun violence than to protect gun rights.

...A Fox News poll finds 53 percent of respondents think it is more important to protect citizens from gun violence, compared to 40 percent who think it is more important to protect the rights of people to own guns...."

...In addition, there’s substantial support for specific measures to reduce gun violence, including: requiring criminal background checks on all gun buyers (91 percent), requiring mental health checks on all gun buyers (84 percent), raising the age to buy all guns to 21 (72 percent), putting armed guards in schools (69 percent), and banning assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons (60 percent)..."

Poll: Voters think preventing gun violence is more important than protecting gun rights | TheHill

Fox News Poll: Voters favor gun measures, doubt Congress will act | Fox News
What's the difference between protecting citizens from gun violence and protecting the right of law abiding citizens to own firearms?
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Old 03-27-2018, 06:28 AM
 
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Question? What constitutes a household relative to gun households? Is it only families living together? What about unrelated roommates, which brings up the situation Cruz was in?

College students renting off campus housing. If one roommate has a gun, that counts too? Said roommate and his gun is protecting all the other students too? They may not even know there is a gun in their house. If said roommate moves out, it is no longer a gun household, right?

The problem with these statistics is that is does not measure actual gun OWNERS. It means NOTHING, Informed Consent, counting the number of gun households because other people in that gun household may not have knowledge of or access to a gun.

My daughter lived in the above situation at one time. Her gun owning roommate, who came and went at will, locked up his gun in his locked bedroom. Why would you consider a situation like that as a gun household?

I am not on board with guns. That is why as empty nesters, my husband's are locked up in the basement combination safe. He might have his 2nd Amendment right to own them, but I have a right to not be around them. No, No, NO, you are not keeping a loaded gun in the nightstand next to me. I don't have that RIGHT?
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