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Old 03-28-2018, 08:06 AM
 
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The thing is, while the Republicans and Democrats have certainly slow-walked and refused to take up opposing party's presidential judicial nominations - this has been happening for decades - the extension of this to ALL nominees is new this cycle.

The Republicans have always been of the view that a president should be able to appoint the people to executive branch leadership positions that they want, and they have never made it a practice to routinely block or impede the approval of such appointees. Sure some lively grilling takes place during the confirmation hearings, but at the end of the day, the Republicans have largely joined in to vote for the approval these Democrat nominees, regardless of how ideologically or morally offensive these characters have been.

Now the Democrats and their comrades in the mass media have gone all in with what is effectively an attempted coup, through their "resistance" and through their grossly fabricated campaign to force Trump out of office by falsely asserting that he conspired with the Russians to steal the 2016 election from Hillary Clinton (when all of the solid evidence indicates that it was actually Hillary, the Democrats and the Obama regime that actually committed this crime).

This practice of impeding Trump's executive branch nominations is part of that. It is clear that the Democrat's care about being in power more than they care about their loyalty to our democratic system or our constitution, and will do literally anything in pursuit of their selfish and highly destructive goals, even undermining the Senate process for confirming executive branch appointments.

The Republicans in the senate will not block the Democrat's using these tactics going forward. There will always be at least 6-15 Republicans who will go along with the Democrats and the media to show how bipartisan and how accommodating and moderate they are, by voting the for Democrat's presidential nominees to the executive branch. So the Republicans will never benefit from having these protections in place. Only the Democrats will "benefit" - at our nation's expense - as they currently are doing.

As a result, the Republicans in the senate should implement these permanent changes.
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Old 03-29-2018, 04:59 AM
 
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Shrug. You are VERY NAIVE if you think that it is mainly Ds and their contributors who have this conflict. And right now, Rs have the majority.
"Rs have the majority"

People who are intelligent enough ON How our fed government works KNOWS MANY things in the Senate REQUIRES a "SUPER MAJORITY" OF 60 VOTES TO GET OT PASSED.
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Old 03-29-2018, 05:26 AM
 
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Cool. It means when the dems take back things it will be easier for them to reverse things you do now, and implement their choices in ways that will be insanely unpopular to reverse!

Theres a reason the GOP is hesitant to do this, they know eventually the shoe is on the other foot.

Maybe, but probably not.

Gallup has Republicans leading in the generic poll by one point.

Usually, Democrats need a 5-10 point advantage just to stay even.

If the support holds through November, we're looking at a historic blood bath.

Party Affiliation | Gallup Historical Trends
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Old 03-29-2018, 05:48 AM
 
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The thing is, while the Republicans and Democrats have certainly slow-walked and refused to take up opposing party's presidential judicial nominations - this has been happening for decades - the extension of this to ALL nominees is new this cycle.

The Republicans have always been of the view that a president should be able to appoint the people to executive branch leadership positions that they want, and they have never made it a practice to routinely block or impede the approval of such appointees. Sure some lively grilling takes place during the confirmation hearings, but at the end of the day, the Republicans have largely joined in to vote for the approval these Democrat nominees, regardless of how ideologically or morally offensive these characters have been.

Now the Democrats and their comrades in the mass media have gone all in with what is effectively an attempted coup, through their "resistance" and through their grossly fabricated campaign to force Trump out of office by falsely asserting that he conspired with the Russians to steal the 2016 election from Hillary Clinton (when all of the solid evidence indicates that it was actually Hillary, the Democrats and the Obama regime that actually committed this crime).

This practice of impeding Trump's executive branch nominations is part of that. It is clear that the Democrat's care about being in power more than they care about their loyalty to our democratic system or our constitution, and will do literally anything in pursuit of their selfish and highly destructive goals, even undermining the Senate process for confirming executive branch appointments.

The Republicans in the senate will not block the Democrat's using these tactics going forward. There will always be at least 6-15 Republicans who will go along with the Democrats and the media to show how bipartisan and how accommodating and moderate they are, by voting the for Democrat's presidential nominees to the executive branch. So the Republicans will never benefit from having these protections in place. Only the Democrats will "benefit" - at our nation's expense - as they currently are doing.

As a result, the Republicans in the senate should implement these permanent changes.
History shows us that the Leftists make their own rules when it suits them - this is exactly why Harry Reid AND his Leftist Majority in the Senate removed the Filibuster on Judges. They will do the same thing the next time they are in power. The time is long past for any cooperation in Congress.

The Leftists have one goal - complete Obamas Trnsformation of America and preserve the Corruption in Government. It's up to the voters (although the Leftists have zero respect for a republican majority vote) to decide if we try to save this Country or let the Leftists complete their Transformation.
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Old 03-29-2018, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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"Rs have the majority"

People who are intelligent enough ON How our fed government works KNOWS MANY things in the Senate REQUIRES a "SUPER MAJORITY" OF 60 VOTES TO GET OT PASSED.
?????

OK. Step by step here.

The spending bill originates in the House. The Senate gets no bite at the apple until the House votes. And in the House, Rs could not put together enough votes to pass a bill, even though they hold a 47 vote majority (241 to 194). I don't know what your definition of fractured is, but that seems pretty broken to me, given that everyone in Congress knew how important this bill is. When Rs won't compromise enough with each other to pass a bill that reflects R priorities, leadership has to forge compromises with Ds in order to get a majority. Which they did. Hence they produced a bill that is pretty D-friendly. NOW the D-friendly bill goes to the Senate. Where it is passed by 67 votes, both Rs and Ds.

"All of which means, the above Republicans could vociferously denounce it without, you know, feeling the heat of actually rejecting it." https://www.redstate.com/patterico/2...-omnibus-bill/

My point is that the bill was carefully crafted from the beginning to get enough D votes in both the House and the Senate to make up for the lack of R unity. And once that was done, leadership twisted arms, hard. We know this because the action on the bill was about as swift as it could possibly be. All the discussion occurred among a small group of folks and it was presented to the membership at large as a done deal.

If Rs had stuck with each other in the House, the bill wouldn't have been so D-friendly by the time it got to the Senate. They would not have needed to concede so much to the Ds in order to pick up the needed 9 D senators if the House Rs had been united.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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"Presented as a done deal" ....... when Republicans ignored those who put them in office and allow a small group of Leadership that cares more about their Leadership than they do about their voters to cram down an Omnibus Boondoggle that nobody read .....

They are past their expiration date. Anti-Trumpers and anti-Voters won this round.
We will see how they do in the future - the voters are still FED-UP with this garbage.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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The GOP never was very farsighted. W and Dick cheney spent eight years consolidating power for the president wih no idea that they could ever be beaten again. They were wrong. Obama knew exactly how to use what the previous administration built.

Ditto the nuclear option for a one-shot deal. There will come a time when that will backfire in an unpredictable and phenomenal way, possibly with gun control, possibly with granting legal status to immigrants, but it will come. The republicans would do well to stop and think what they are doing and try to pretend they have a long game.
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Old 03-29-2018, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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"Presented as a done deal" ....... when Republicans ignored those who put them in office and allow a small group of Leadership that cares more about their Leadership than they do about their voters to cram down an Omnibus Boondoggle that nobody read .....

They are past their expiration date. Anti-Trumpers and anti-Voters won this round.
We will see how they do in the future - the voters are still FED-UP with this garbage.
Shrug. Granted, it wasn't a bit pretty. But - they needed D votes, because Rs couldn't/wouldn't compromise with each other. And to get those D votes, they had to include provisions that the Ds wanted.

BTW - you vote for Congress critters who will work toward particular goals. So do I. So does everyone else.

As nearly as I can tell, my minority Congress critters are doing a sterling job of getting some of the things done that I want done. So while I wish they were in the majority, I'm not fed up with them. The tactics they are using are from the accepted Congressional playbook, which is freely available to all.

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Old 03-29-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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Maybe, but probably not.

Gallup has Republicans leading in the generic poll by one point.

Usually, Democrats need a 5-10 point advantage just to stay even.

If the support holds through November, we're looking at a historic blood bath.

Party Affiliation | Gallup Historical Trends
You linked to party affiliation.

How about generic Republican vs Democrat polling which is what I think you were talking about?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...vote-6185.html

7.1% for the Democrats. And we've seen some brutal special elections. Even where Republican won it was by massively lower then average amounts.
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