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View Poll Results: What does the sentence mean?
education is to be restricted to the religious and/or moral, and/or knowlegable. 1 5.56%
education is to be promoted for people in general. 12 66.67%
other--specify in comments below. 5 27.78%
Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-28-2018, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php...age=transcript
This is a sentence from the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, which was passed by the Confederation Congress. The law laid out the process by which areas outside the 13 colonies could become states.


The NW Ordinance also contained this line:


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Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.

How would you interpret this?
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:39 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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All schools should be banned.

(sarcasm)
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Education is only for allowed for those that participate in government.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:20 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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It meant that an educated citizenry was necessary for good government, and schools were where you learned about faith, ethics, and picked up practical, secular knowledge. Public schools don’t do the religion part anymore, mostly teach ethics indirectly (if at all), and still do the book learning and/or vocational thing.

Whether that leaves us with good government and happiness is obviously debatable. Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Although the pendulum regularly swings between the extemes IMO, public education on the whole has left the country far better off than it would be if all schooling were privately funded.
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:09 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by wutitiz View Post
https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php...age=transcript
This is a sentence from the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, which was passed by the Confederation Congress. The law laid out the process by which areas outside the 13 colonies could become states.


The NW Ordinance also contained this line:





How would you interpret this?

Faith and good morals to be a civilized community, or you won't be compatible.
If you don't want to know the truth, don't move here.
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It encourages the governing body to have ethics and moral beliefs and be informed and that this path will not corrupt , lie, or stay blind to the needs of the people they govern. This statement of course is to be beneficial to encourage people to learn , get an education and more over be the way to a happier existence.
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:32 PM
 
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Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good government

Wow, Trump fails all three.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:32 AM
 
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Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good government

Wow, Trump fails all three.
First one to mention Trump in a thread completely unrelated to him. You need to take a vacation from social media.
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Old 03-29-2018, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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First one to mention Trump in a thread completely unrelated to him. You need to take a vacation from social media.
Trump is everywhere...


shhh... russia russia russia


It's nothing but a childish reaction (verging on deranged) they'll never get over. I'm not so sure there's a cure for it at this point - Zombie apocalypse.


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Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good government

Wow, Trump fails all three.
judge not lest ye be judged
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Old 03-29-2018, 04:28 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php...age=transcript
This is a sentence from the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, which was passed by the Confederation Congress...

How would you interpret this?
I wouldn't.

From Wikipedia:

The U.S. Supreme Court recognized the authority of the Northwest Ordinance of 1789 within the applicable Northwest Territory as constitutional in Strader v. Graham, but did not extend the Ordinance to cover the respective states once they were admitted to the Union...

The ordinance of Congress called for a public university as part of the settlement and eventual statehood of the Ohio Territory. In 1797, settlers from Marietta traveled upstream via the Hocking River to establish a location for the school, choosing Athens due to its location directly between Chillicothe (the original capital of Ohio) and Marietta. Originally named in 1802 as the American Western University, the school never opened. Instead, Ohio University was formally established on February 18, 1804, when its charter was approved by the Ohio General Assembly. Its establishment came 11 months after Ohio was admitted to the Union. The first three students enrolled in 1809. Ohio University graduated two students with bachelor's degrees in 1815.


You have pulled a single sentence from a relatively obscure document that became invalid as soon as the Northwest territories formed themselves into states and were admitted to the union. Certainly, this ordinance does not take precedence over the Bill of Rights which establishes freedom of religion for all Americans.

If you are upset that your favorite flavor of religion is not taught in public schools, there are plenty of private schools that are sponsored by members of all sorts of different faiths. I suggest you find the one closest to your own set of beliefs and throw your support behind it instead of tilting at windmills like the Northwest Ordinance.
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