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Old 03-29-2018, 06:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by MikMal View Post
I never knew that providing free legal aid to citizens was a responsibility of the government.
It's not, other than in criminal proceedings. Cutting off the taxpayer-funded freebies is the fiduciarily responsible thing to do.
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Old 03-29-2018, 07:55 AM
miu
 
Location: MA/NH
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Not around here they don't. It's hard to even get one to represent you when you pay them money around here.
Well when that is the case, it usually means that person is not worth defending... in other words, the lawyer thinks that his client is guilty. For example, evictions. and I would say this is true especially in KY where there isn't massive real estate development going on, if a tenant is being evicted due to non-payment of rent... then SHOULD just leave that rented dwelling. Going to court only prolongs the painful process for the landlord that hasn't been paid rent in months. I see this happening in MA where it's a long and arduous process to remove a bad tenant. Why waste the court's time? Because that is paid for by the taxpayer also.

Perhaps many of these situations could be sorted out by a straight forward state or town run arbitration board, instead of paying for expensive lawyers. And there could be free legal help information room in the courthouse building for the defendants before the hearings to get a checklist of what they need to present their side best in arbitration (documents, witnesses).

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You've been watching too much TV.
No. Harvard Law School students to have a free legal aid group.

Harvard Legal Aid Bureau | Harvard Law School

The American Bar Association has a list of lawyers offering to do pro bono work. However, I imagine that they are more willing to help those that they think are innocent.

https://apps.americanbar.org/legalse...directory.html

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Money is tight. Maybe they'd rather spend their money on feeding the poor, medicaid or roads.

Could it be much of these funds were being used by illegals to stay in the US?
Money is tight all over the US. And the situation is getting worse and worse. We really need to stop giving handouts to illegals and teaching their children. We can't afford to take in every stray that crosses our borders. And we need to cut the costs of educating our own children. If grade schools average $11K a year per student, that's $132K per child to give them a high school education. If I understand these charts correctly, adjusted for today's dollars, it's now twice as much to educate a child now than when I was going to school in the '70's.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/...s/dt12_213.asp

Right off the bat, stop giving every student a laptop computer. Again, stop teaching children of illegals. Send the DACAs back to their home country where they can better help improve the quality of live there.

More students encouraged to go into the skilled trades. A future shortage of tradespeople is predicted. And when someone is in the trades, they will always have work AND they have better access to housing because they will save money by being able to repair and live in a fixer-upper (or flip it for a profit), be a building maintenance person with possibly a free apartment. Handy people are also able to fix their own vehicles.

We don't need immigrants or illegals or DACAs to fill the skilled trades jobs, we just have to encourage our children to consider all of their career options. My husband is 37 really smart and grew up with ADD. He hates desk work and as a child, hated being on medication. He's an electrical engineer who works in the motorsports industry. He finds great satisfaction working with his hands. He is also able to repair everything that breaks in our house and older cars. This summer, he and a couple of friends are going to replace the shingles on the roof of our house.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/emsi/20...workers-ages/1
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Old 03-29-2018, 08:04 AM
 
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I never knew that providing free legal aid to citizens was a responsibility of the government. No wonder so many governments operate in the red.
The government should not be helping poor people get access to justice. Justice is a privilege, not a right. Justice should be served only to those who can afford to buy it. This is America, not Venezuela. If lazy poor people think they are entitled to justice, they should move to Venezuela or some other socialist hell hole.

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Old 03-29-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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The government should not be helping poor people get access to justice. Justice is a privilege, not a right. Justice should be served only to those who can afford to buy it. This is America, not Venezuela. If lazy poor people think they are entitled to justice, they should move to Venezuela or some other socialist hell hole.
Anyone is free to donate their own labor or money to provide legal aid to the poor. Please do so.
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Old 03-29-2018, 08:14 AM
 
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Many lawyers do pro bono work. At law schools, the students will also offer free legal advice to those who can't afford it.
Pro bono lawyers and law school legal clinics don't even begin to meet the legal needs of poor people.
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Old 03-29-2018, 08:27 AM
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Pro bono lawyers and law school legal clinics don't even begin to meet the legal needs of poor people.
Then they need to learn how to help themselves, instead of being the baby-making slackers of our society. If they can read, then can go to a (free) public library to research their issues on the free computers and in the books that are there.

Do you have any real numbers of innocent poor people that are in need of legal aid? And what exactly are their legal issues? Housing issues are pretty straight forward, pay your rent on time, don't own a pit bull and don't destroy the property. Child support issues? Well stop making babies that you can't afford to raise properly in the first place.
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Old 03-29-2018, 08:31 AM
 
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Then they need to learn how to help themselves, instead of being the baby-making slackers of our society. If they can read, then can go to a (free) public library to research their issues on the free computers and in the books that are there.

Do you have any real numbers of innocent poor people that are in need of legal aid? And what exactly are their legal issues? Housing issues are pretty straight forward, pay your rent on time, don't own a pit bull and don't destroy the property. Child support issues? Well stop making babies that you can't afford to raise properly in the first place.
I agree.

See post #13.
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Old 03-29-2018, 08:34 AM
 
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I never knew that providing free legal aid to citizens was a responsibility of the government. No wonder so many governments operate in the red.
A certain minimum level of legal aid is required by the constitution, yes. And many states extend that out of a sense that, you know, justice is important even if you're poor.

Sixth Amendment - U.S. Constitution - FindLaw

Sixth Amendment - Rights of Accused in Criminal Prosecutions

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
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Old 03-29-2018, 08:35 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Why not cut the pension obligations to help fund legal aid for those unfortunate people?
Government “workers” need to pay their fair share too.
A promise made is made. At age 50, you should not pull out the rug. That being said, they need to transition to what everyone else gets and this includes police. Wont happen tho.

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Perhaps many of these situations could be sorted out by a straight forward state or town run arbitration board, instead of paying for expensive lawyers. And there could be free legal help information room in the courthouse building for the defendants before the hearings to get a checklist of what they need to present their side best in arbitration (documents, witnesses).
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More students encouraged to go into the skilled trades. A future shortage of tradespeople is predicted. And when someone is in the trades, they will always have work AND they have better access to housing because they will save money by being able to repair and live in a fixer-upper (or flip it for a profit), be a building maintenance person with possibly a free apartment. Handy people are also able to fix their own vehicles.
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*1* I really like this idea. Call them 1 hour trials and stick them in small claims court. Landlords do alot of illegal stuff also. Have a neutral lawyer to say "This is the law in this case" Judge makes quickie decision. MANY legal matters are cut and dry dull. Small cost.
*2* In addition would really love community colleges to offer the top 15 ish direct to employment degrees. Said degree to read "University of [whatever state]

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Anyone is free to donate their own labor or money to provide legal aid to the poor. Please do so.
Silly question. Do you have a solution for rich people with unlimited funds burying poor people legally even if said rich person is wrong?
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Old 03-29-2018, 08:53 AM
 
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Silly question. Do you have a solution for rich people with unlimited funds burying poor people legally even if said rich person is wrong?
Yes: Anyone is free to donate their own labor or money to provide legal aid to the poor. Please do so.
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