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Old 03-29-2018, 08:59 AM
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“Does this involve immigration status or domestic abuse?” Legal aid is not for “poor people”...at least in some states. It is for immigration cases and women poor people.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:13 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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A promise made is made. At age 50, you should not pull out the rug. That being said, they need to transition to what everyone else gets and this includes police. Wont happen tho.
Eh. Plenty of people have lost their entire pensions through private companies going bankrupt.

I think that the pensions should be reduced by a percentage. Some payouts are way too fat for our current economy. Also, some pension payouts could be changed to offer reductions in property taxes or given real estate in trade, such as any properties seized due to non-payment of taxes.

If we don't have the cash, then offer them what we do have in trade. And isn't that better than our governments going bankrupt and collapsing?

Plus we've know for decades that this pension crisis was coming. It's stupid to ignore it.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:16 AM
 
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I never knew that providing free legal aid to citizens was a responsibility of the government. No wonder so many governments operate in the red.
Ever hear that part of the miranda rights....if you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided to you at no cost'?

I guess that will have to change now.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:23 AM
 
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Ever hear that part of the miranda rights....if you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided to you at no cost'?

I guess that will have to change now.
I was just going to ask what about Miranda.

I guess this will just mean more people in jail because they couldn't defend themselves properly or couldn't get a lawyer to defend them. And if you think that lawyers have to believe that their clients are innocent
what about Bernard Madoffs lawyers- surely they couldn't have believed he was innocent.

Anyway I just hope that all of you will remain lucky enough to have money to pay for a lawyer when you really need one. You never know when life circumstances can change.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:27 AM
 
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KY had other alternatives to solve the pension problem, they could have allowed rec. marijuana and been rolling in cash by now, or slapped a sin tax on some of the most widely abused opioid pain pills (that KY is well known for), and had more money than they know what to do with.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:30 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Yes: Anyone is free to donate their own labor or money to provide legal aid to the poor. Please do so.
That is not a solution but the status quo. Rich guys bury the poor in legal costs to win by default. I kind of figured that was the answer but occasionally you surprise me.
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Old 03-29-2018, 11:13 AM
 
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That is not a solution but the status quo. Rich guys bury the poor in legal costs to win by default. I kind of figured that was the answer but occasionally you surprise me.
Why should "the poor" win their eviction cases when they're not paying the rent they owe? Why should "the poor" win their cases suing them for unpaid child support?

You're making no sense.
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Old 03-29-2018, 11:25 AM
 
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Why should "the poor" win their eviction cases when they're not paying the rent they owe? Why should "the poor" win their cases suing them for unpaid child support?

You're making no sense.
They wouldnt. The law is the law and not paying rent means you dont live there any more.

Im referring to for example, large slumlords winning code violation suits by default. There are many landlord friendly locales where the inspectors are in the landlords pocket.

Further up the food chain, some large contractors never pay a bill in full, yes even for acceptable and completed work. Some are well known non payers, some not.
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Old 03-29-2018, 11:52 AM
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They wouldnt. The law is the law and not paying rent means you dont live there any more.
Actually, it's an expensive legal hassle to evict a non-paying tenant, especially if there are children living there. Non-paying tenants have no problems overstaying their welcome,,

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Im referring to for example, large slumlords winning code violation suits by default. There are many landlord friendly locales where the inspectors are in the landlords pocket.
Aren't violations of housing codes something that cities and towns are supposed to enforce? All a tenant has to do is report the violations, and they don't need a lawyer for that.

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Further up the food chain, some large contractors never pay a bill in full, yes even for acceptable and completed work. Some are well known non payers, some not.
Ummm... again, this is a problem for a landlord or homeowner. Not a poor tenant. And since when do landlords or homeowners get free legal services? And a lawyer isn't needed for small claims court.

Knowledge is power. And knowledge is also free. One only has to have the desire to seek it out. Why should taxpayers be protecting and supporting those with lazy brain syndrome?
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Old 03-29-2018, 12:18 PM
 
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Actually, it's an expensive legal hassle to evict a non-paying tenant, especially if there are children living there. Non-paying tenants have no problems overstaying their welcome,,
Cool story. But the opposite is also true, slumlords who endanger children, and illegally evict folks.
Justice should not be just for the wealthy.

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Aren't violations of housing codes something that cities and towns are supposed to enforce? All a tenant has to do is report the violations, and they don't need a lawyer for that.
Bwahahhahaa.

Oh you are funny. Not having running water except for 1 hour a day would be a example of something you need a lawyer for, but that isn't a housing code.

Or your landlord demands to do daily walk through with no notice. NOT a housing code violation but something you need a lawyer for.
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Ummm... again, this is a problem for a landlord or homeowner. Not a poor tenant. And since when do landlords or homeowners get free legal services? And a lawyer isn't needed for small claims court.
A lot of free legal aids help is in navigating the legal system, and understanding what is, and is not, your rights.
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Knowledge is power. And knowledge is also free. One only has to have the desire to seek it out. Why should taxpayers be protecting and supporting those with lazy brain syndrome?
Ever tried to actually seek this out? Especially while poor? Its not always that straightforward. And lets be honest, some of the poor are a bit challenged in their ability to do this successfully.
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