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Well, I guess we shouldn’t have any laws at all, if people are just going to break them. Thanks for showing me the light.
No just pointing out no matter how many laws you pass, criminals will break them. The gun bans everyone seems to want only punish the law-abiding.
Of course, that is the idea. You want everyone to give up guns.
Accidental drownings are much more common than accidental shootings yet we don't ban backyard swimming pools or boating at the lake.
Accidental drownings don't take out the guy standing next to you.
Digging around for anecdotal accidents etc. in a country of 330+ million is an odd way to make a valid point.
Posts and threads like this are the NRA's best friends because you come off as extremists bent on warping the truth and most normal people see right through it.
In fact, I hear the same arguments from you guys as I did when we have stormfronters pop up on this forum. "hey look was this mexican illegal did", or "another bunch of black guys shooting each other".
Funny how people always bring up cars and the number of deaths due to accidents or drinking or other bad car behaviors.
Yet every year, we as a civilization put so much money into improving the safety of cars trying to make them more idiot proof. At the same time we battle to get rid of drunken or even tipsy driving. The number of car related deaths are constantly coming down. At the same time, how often at there developments to make guns any safer. Aren't they in fact TRYING to make them deadlier?
making cars safer since what ever starting point you wish to choose, is easy enough.seat belt, air bags, better suspensions, hood ornaments that are either removed entirely or are design to collapse when hit, 5 mph bumpers, side door beams, etc. are all tested and proven to work. and they are all integrated into the design of the car, and are able to be uses by anyone who drives the car, since they are automatic, and one doesnt need to do anything to use them other than get into an accident.
so what suggestions do you have for guns to make them safer without harming the ability of them being used by others in an emergency situation without having to reprogram the gun?
a lot of people suggest going to a "safe" gun that an only be used by the owner of the gun. but what good does that do if the owner is injured, and their friend cant use teh gun because they are not authorized to use that gun? the result? both people end up dead with a basically unusable firearm.
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We have strict restrictions on who can operate an automobile. Licenses must be routinely renewed. Vehicles must be registered and inspected annually. Every registered vehicle must be insured. You know, common sense regulation.
driving is a privilege not a right. but we already DO have common sense regulations on firearms, like its not legal to discharge a firearm for no reason in public. you also are responsible for negligent discharges as well even in your private abode. and we have laws on the books that dont allow criminals to own firearms, and we have laws on the books that dont allow the mentally ill, after they have had their due process rights, to own firearms. next argument?
You just face planted into one of the core themes of the pro-gun folks....that people don't follow the laws.
I absolutely cannot wait to hear the responses to this post. Will it be either:
a) Wow, that's huge news, I have to consider that. (lol...just kidding, we know better)
b) Drive-by style empty post then fleeing the topic.
c) Complete evacuation, run and hide under the bed from reality.
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Again, you’re arguing that people break laws as a reason we shouldn’t enact laws?
no what he is showing you is that only those that are law abiding citizens actually follow the laws that are passed. his point is also that if you make something illegal, you only tie the hands of the law abiding citizens in this country.
for instance, if you ban the AR15, you only make criminals out of those that already own that weapon, assuming that your ban is one that requires that AR15s be turned in. criminals will still get their hands on the weapons, so all you are doing is making their crimes more illegal.
one other thing to ponder here, which you probably wont, when enacting laws, we need to truly think about the laws we push to enact, and make sure they are laws that we do need to enact, rather than just enact laws on a knee jerk basis. laws that are well thought out, and properly enacted are generally good laws that are effective, where as knee jerk laws that are not well though out, are generally failures.
Funny how people always bring up cars and the number of deaths due to accidents or drinking or other bad car behaviors.
Yet every year, we as a civilization put so much money into improving the safety of cars trying to make them more idiot proof. At the same time we battle to get rid of drunken or even tipsy driving. The number of car related deaths are constantly coming down. At the same time, how often at there developments to make guns any safer. Aren't they in fact TRYING to make them deadlier?
You have an issue with my response to an absurd analogy? Sorry, I don't get your point. Maybe you intended to quote another post?
The main efforts towards the auto deaths, is via PSA's like don't drink and drive and don't text and drive along with STIFF penalties if you get caught DUI etc.
If you feel that gun crimes should be HARSHLY prosecuted then we are 100% in agreement. (You likely don't see the other pitfall there but oh well.)
Sooo, just how many cars out there prevent texting while driving? Hmmmm, mine actually has built in hands free so they're doing what?
Oh yeah, they're acknowledging people want to call or text while driving and trying to make it less un-safe because people do it anyway.
The other big cause of death is excessive speed....but every years there no only aren't speed limiters built into cars....but they TOUT their power and acceleration etc.
Basically, car manufacturers don't stop texting, drinking and driving or speeding which they certainly could affect....and those are the 3 of the worst killers. (I suspect the top 3 at this point but I'm not looking it up, point made.)
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