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Old 04-03-2018, 04:43 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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So according to you the baby isn't a human being until it actually sees the light of day? One day before the actual birth it's okay to abort because it's not a human and therefore has no rights. Is that what you're saying?
No, because that's late term/third trimester abortion. BUT, there should be NO problem with first and second trimester abortions
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Old 04-03-2018, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Marriage isn't a right. There is no such thing as the right to marriage. That is where your confusion lies.
You do have the right to live your life unencumbered.
There's no need to be insulting, we can reason together without that.

The Conservative Case For Gay Marriage


Do you disagree? If so, why? I'm looking for conversation, not debate.
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Old 04-03-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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Maybe if state houses with Republican majorities didn't pass laws they know will go to the Supreme Court as Roe v Wade challenges, it wouldn't be such a big deal; but the Pub's never give up their fight to make abortion illegal again....

Same could be said about the Democrats. They have their pet peeves and ideologies that they won't give up either.
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Old 04-03-2018, 08:47 AM
 
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The pill isn't the only form of birth control, you know.

I never said it was but it's the most effective.
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Old 04-03-2018, 08:48 AM
 
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it's a rebuttal to the bogus claims made up thread, well, really the entire premise of the thread, that GOPers care about personal liberty. They most certainly don't when it comes to women.

But as I also recently noted, it's time to move on from this particular exercise.

Utter BS claim that Republicans don't care about women just because they don't believe in killing the unborn.
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Old 04-03-2018, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Utter BS claim that Republicans don't care about women just because they don't believe in killing the unborn.
Utter BS claim that "the unborn" is any meaningful classification of individuals except by those who would happily deny liberty to women.
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Old 04-03-2018, 08:55 AM
 
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Genuine question for those that are Pro-life, and saying that it is the woman who has to be responsible and protect herself, if she doesn't want to get pregnant, etc etc....

Did you, in all honesty, abstain from sexual intercourse before marriage, or before actively trying to conceive?

Something I hear/read often is that those unprepared for a baby should abstain until marriage...

Yet 94% of women and 96% of men in the U.S have had Pre Marital Intercourse, which means that most of those that are Pro Life, have not abstained (46% of Americans identified as Pro-Life in 2017).

Isn't it rather hypocritical to judge women who have had abortions, saying they should have abstained or made better choices, if most of you did the same act they did that got them in their predicaments in the first place?

I say this as somebody who has never, and would never have an abortion, but sees the value in choice.

How many times do I have to say that a man is equally responsible to protect himself before this lie ends? The point is that it is the woman who will have to carry the child for nine months, not the man. Based on that it is they that should be more cautious if they don't want to get pregnant. Killing should never be a choice unless it's in self-defense. If the mother's life will be in jeopardy by bearing a child then I would be ok with abortion.


I'm not suggesting to self-abstain I'm just suggesting that steps be taken to prevent pregnancy. If it happens anyway then so be it but I still don't believe in abortion under those circumstances.
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Old 04-03-2018, 08:57 AM
 
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Utter BS claim that "the unborn" is any meaningful classification of individuals except by those who would happily deny liberty to women.

What are they then if not human beings? No one man or woman should have the right to kill another human life. I suggest you stop making this about woman's rights based on that.
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Old 04-03-2018, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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What are they then if not human beings? No one man or woman should have the right to kill another human life. I suggest you stop making this about woman's rights based on that.
And I suggest you stop asserting that your personal belief system is universal. Women are not committing murder or killing another human life if they terminate a pregnancy, just because you say so. Believe whatever you want to believe, but stop insisting others believe what YOU believe.
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Old 04-03-2018, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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You really spent a lot of time on that, didn't you ? You , sir, have a future in writing fiction. Stephen King has nothing on you at all !
Nah, the OP just retyped a Facebook meme. So clever of the OP, dontcha think?
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