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Old 04-02-2018, 11:16 AM
 
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Let's go to the Gods of Politics. What does Fox News say about this?
I'm sure that we will find the truth there, won't we?
We need words of wisdom from the crotch couch.
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Old 04-02-2018, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Quite right. It would not have been embraced by the entire world if it was a hoax (and the alarm over global climate change did not originate in China, BTW).

Countries around the world are engaging in expensive projects to meet the threats of global warming. It is expensive for them and dismaying but they forge ahead. This would not be sustainable worldwide if it were not true.

The real hoax is on those naïve individuals who have been convinced that it is not real. They have been hoaxed because they think they are somehow smarter than the rest of the world, but it is just hubris.
Good they can cover us on that while we cover Europe’s ass with NATO
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Old 04-02-2018, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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If man made climate change is true, why did NASA, and NOAA have to change historical temperature data, and scientists use models that gave them the outcome they wanted?
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Old 04-02-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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Why does the EPA need to sell the idea that global warming is some kind of conspiracy theory?

https://www.motherjones.com/environm...imate-science/

It boggles the mind that what became the Corporate States of America just over a year ago needs to sell it's version of climate science. If global warming is such a fallacy then wouldn't the lie collapse under it's own weight? Are climate scientists engaged in a massive Marxist conspiracy to bring down the corporations? The answer is no. Scientists are just being scientists. They gather evidence and reach conclusions based on what they see. On the other hand the know nothings in the corporations are willing to lie, cheat and steal if it means more money.
because the left has been blasting out twisted science for YEARS on the subject and attacking anyone that challenges their "science"


Upside down Tiljander anyone?
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Old 04-02-2018, 12:35 PM
 
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Quite right. It would not have been embraced by the entire world if it was a hoax (and the alarm over global climate change did not originate in China, BTW).

Countries around the world are engaging in expensive projects to meet the threats of global warming. It is expensive for them and dismaying but they forge ahead. This would not be sustainable worldwide if it were not true.

The real hoax is on those naïve individuals who have been convinced that it is not real. They have been hoaxed because they think they are somehow smarter than the rest of the world, but it is just hubris.
one fallacy with your argument though, a lie will go around the world twice before the truth can get its boots on. the lies started way back, at least as early as 1895 when it was reported that the world had 30 years to make changes or the world would become unlivable. obviously that was wrong. al gore started up in the late 90s with his bull crap, and he has always been wrong.

and then there is the debunked 97% number, that was 97% of IPCC scientists, not all scientists. which means it was basically the UN pushing climate change. why? because they were pushing for wealth transfers from rich countries to poor countries, and the specter of climate change was the motivation to push for taxes on the rich countries.

and if you look at all the climate accords that have been negotiated over the years, you will find that the real intent of those accords isnt climate change, but rather developing the third world with first world monies. none of the third world countries would have been required to follow any climate change regulations, and neither were india and china. why is that? perhaps because it really is a hoax and there really is a nefarious hidden agenda?
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Old 04-02-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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What they won't admit is that science has proven that solar activity plays a big, possibly the largest if not the only factor in global temperature fluctuations. You won't make a dime if the sun is making it warmer or cooler, though.
The OP makes a valid point in saying that global warming had to be sold to the people and they made it more of a hard sell, even faking climate data. That was when I wrote it off as junk science. I'd be happy if real environmental problems got addressed, like clean air and clean water and insect die off, but that would set the pharmaceutical companies back and again, science is slave to money.
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Old 04-02-2018, 12:45 PM
 
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Because people are comfortable doing what they always did. Because companies don't want to have a penny of additional expense cutting into their profits. Because there is a lot of money involved in keeping the status quo. Because... well, some people are not willing to even consider the idea that it might be an issue.
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Old 04-02-2018, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Why does the EPA need to sell the idea that global warming is some kind of conspiracy theory?

https://www.motherjones.com/environm...imate-science/

It boggles the mind that what became the Corporate States of America just over a year ago needs to sell it's version of climate science. If global warming is such a fallacy then wouldn't the lie collapse under it's own weight? Are climate scientists engaged in a massive Marxist conspiracy to bring down the corporations? The answer is no. Scientists are just being scientists. They gather evidence and reach conclusions based on what they see. On the other hand the know nothings in the corporations are willing to lie, cheat and steal if it means more money.
Because Exxon Mobile spent millions to deflect and buy Scientists to promote their propaganda ... It wasn't cheap, although in truth they knew full well their activities were causing climate change!! I thought I'd a just a few of the many links to the above .. and it goes back decades!!

https://www.democracynow.org/2005/4/...funding_global

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Today is the 35th anniversary of Earth Day. To commemorate the occasion we take a look at the debate over global warming.

A new investigation by Mother Jones magazine has revealed that ExxonMobil has spent at least $8 million dollars funding a network of groups to challenge the existence of global warming.

We are joined on the line from Washington DC by Chris Mooney, the reporter who broke the story. His article– “Some Like It Hot”–appears in the May/June issue of Mother Jones magazine. We are also joined on the line by Myron Ebell of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, one of 40 organizations identified in the report that receives funding from Exxon/Mobil. According to the article, CEI has received $1,380,000 dollars from Exxon. And on the line from Massachusetts we have journalist and author Ross Gelbspan. He also has an article titled “Snowed” in the latest issue of Mother Jones that explores why the U.S media pays relatively little attention to the issue of global climate change.
"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Efforthttps://www.theguardian.com/environment/2007/feb/02/frontpagenews.climatechange
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Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world's largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.

Letters sent by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), an ExxonMobil-funded thinktank with close links to the Bush administration, offered the payments for articles that emphasise the shortcomings of a report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
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Another key finding: From 2003 to 2007, Koch Affiliated Foundations and the ExxonMobil Foundation were "heavily involved" in funding climate change denial efforts. But Exxon hasn't made a publically traceable contribution since 2008, and Koch's efforts dramatically declined, Brulle said.
Eight Pseudoscientific Climate Claims Debunked by Real Scientists | BillMoyers.com

Graphs included in this site pretty well maps out how things have changed over time!! Confusing people by equating Global warming with weather worked for years... Not so much now!!

http://dy00k1db5oznd.cloudfront.net/.../05/Fig.A2.gif


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https://www.theguardian.com/environm...nergy-industry

Bottomline~~ Deniers have paid for decades to hoax citizens until they got outed and have finally admitted it! $$$$$ Profits and buying Politicians to make laws to protect themhasbeen their goal all along!! That is why OP
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Old 04-02-2018, 01:31 PM
 
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97% of the 97% are postmodernists... they wouldn't acknowledge a universal truth if it bit them on the ass.

The "settled" "science" becomes more unsettled with each passing year. The impending grand solar minimum will put the final stake thru the heart of this pseudo-science.
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Old 04-02-2018, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by Tonyafd View Post
Why does the EPA need to sell the idea that global warming is some kind of conspiracy theory?

https://www.motherjones.com/environm...imate-science/

It boggles the mind that what became the Corporate States of America just over a year ago needs to sell it's version of climate science. If global warming is such a fallacy then wouldn't the lie collapse under it's own weight? Are climate scientists engaged in a massive Marxist conspiracy to bring down the corporations? The answer is no. Scientists are just being scientists. They gather evidence and reach conclusions based on what they see. On the other hand the know nothings in the corporations are willing to lie, cheat and steal if it means more money.

"This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. That will not happen overnight and it will not happen at a single conference on climate change, be it COP 15, 21, 40 - you choose the number. It just does not occur like that. It is a process, because of the depth of the transformation." - Christiana Figueres


https://www.unric.org/en/latest-un-b...-intentionally

When appearing on Fox Business News with Stewart Varney in January 2011, Greenpeace co-founder Peter Moore agreed that benefits of any global warming, to the extent that this is occurring for any reason, are greatly underrated: "We do not have any scientific proof that we are the cause of the global warming that has occurred in the last 200 years...The alarmism is driving us through scare tactics to adopt energy policies that are going to create a huge amount of energy poverty among the poor people. It's not good for people and it’s not good for the environment...In a warmer world we can produce more food."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe.../#27a442b61474

And as IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer admitted in November 2010, “…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth...”

https://www.nzz.ch/klimapolitik_vert..._neu-1.8373227
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