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Old 04-04-2018, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Found this article
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ul-ryan-247665
About Congressional aides being involved in decision to mute anti-Russian Ukraine plank
Note that Paul Ryan's chief of staff is mentioned as being there to help delegates decide along with Trump campaign staffers
It's my memory that McConnell got big donations in 16 even though he was not running for re-election...
I hadn't seen that. Thanks. Looks like nobody wants to cross Vladimir. Trump wants to pull out of Syria because his owner told him to.

I have a strange feeling this investigation is going to be like a volcano when it finally bubbles over, and the scandal is going to blow the top completely off the mountain. I wonder how many of those 31 republicans who have decided not to stick around and run for another term had their hands in the Russian petty cash drawer?
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Old 04-04-2018, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Either way they were not found guilty.
It doesn't mean they did not do what was claimed.

Of course, there are some that believe the Clintons are 100% innocent of everything and there is no help for those people!
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Old 04-04-2018, 06:50 PM
 
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It doesn't mean they did not do what was claimed.

Of course, there are some that believe the Clintons are 100% innocent of everything and there is no help for those people!
I think there is a possibility that they are. I also believe the same about Trump.
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Old 04-04-2018, 06:59 PM
 
Location: United States
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Are you now denying that Russians hacked the election in a desire to aid Trump
Three current or former Trump appointee Intel Chiefs testified to that before Congress
There is plenty of evidence that it happened---getting proof that Trump knew and participated takes time
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ...ates_elections
How does one "hack the election"?

There is no credible evidence that the Russians hacked anything.

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As gets repeatedly pointed out, Trump want investigated until far after this. And most think a special investigation starts when the special counsel is appointed. For examples see Watergate, and whitewater.


FBI offices were often called Trumpland, and the posts bringing up this guys dislike of Trump ignore that he said a lot of nasty things about Clinton as well. Basically like most people, he didn't like politicians. You're really going to hate on him for that?


Of which we have no idea what that was. The statement has no context.

LOTS of FISA warrents are gotten with unverified information. This one was stated as being paid for by a outside source, and the judge was welcome to ask more questions if he or she felt the need. They didnt-since these warrants had been there before and gotten actionable intelligence.

Except those arent facts. You twist the time period backwards to where it had nothing to do with Trump, originally, you ignore that its Republicans running the investigation, and that the FBI is well known for being pro trump. You then go on to mislead anyone reading your post about the entire basis of the FISA-which we don't even know all of!

Its non stop denial of facts, and twisting them into pretzels to fit your narrative.
Besides the Carter Paige warrant, which FISA warrants were obtained with unverified information?

The FBI regulations require that information presented in FISA applications be verified.
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Old 04-04-2018, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Are you now denying that Russians hacked the election in a desire to aid Trump
Three current or former Trump appointee Intel Chiefs testified to that before Congress
There is plenty of evidence that it happened---getting proof that Trump knew and participated takes time
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ...ates_elections
This may help answer a few questions. It's a really detailed timeline with all the players and how they fit, and who knew whom when and for what reason..

https://www.salon.com/2018/04/04/rog...r-and-the-gru/
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Old 04-04-2018, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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How does one "hack the election"?

There is no credible evidence that the Russians hacked anything.



Besides the Carter Paige warrant, which FISA warrants were obtained with unverified information?

The FBI regulations require that information presented in FISA applications be verified.
Who would you trust to verify the information? There were 16 memos in the "dossier" written over a period of several months. The FBI only agreed to speak with Steele because when he spoke with them on the phone about the first memo, they already had case files open internally. They apparently had confirmation in their files from a different source that persuaded the judge in the FISA court to issue the warrant.

I have been after you to read Glenn Simpson's testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee. As someone who professes to have a high regard for the facts, it's "must" reading, since he is under oath and goes into great detail on the "dossier", the timeline for it, and how it came to be in the first place.

Hint: It is nothing like Hannity/Alex Jones/Breitbart/Fox would have you believe.

Here it is (again) so you don't have to look for it. Can I get a witness that this has been posted here?

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pub...t-redacted.pdf

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Old 04-04-2018, 07:59 PM
 
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Russia “hacked” the election? Lmao
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Old 04-04-2018, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Russia “hacked” the election? Lmao
We know they hacked into the systems in several states. No evidence yet that anything was changed, but they have proven they have the capability to do it.

Now - Trump knows this. What is he doing about it?
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Old 04-04-2018, 08:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by loves2read View Post
Are you now denying that Russians hacked the election in a desire to aid Trump
Three current or former Trump appointee Intel Chiefs testified to that before Congress
There is plenty of evidence that it happened---getting proof that Trump knew and participated takes time
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ...ates_elections



So on your chew, this was not a legitimate election?
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Old 04-04-2018, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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So on your chew, this was not a legitimate election?
This was a questionable election, and the evidence is soft enough that you may never find a smoking gun. We know that Russia was involved, We know there were bots and fale websites pumping out Trump propaganda which ewas shared by thousands, but it is impossible to calculate fully what impact they had in the end.
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