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Old 04-03-2018, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Those conspiracy theory's sure are hard to keep up with.

I do appreciate the loony liberal Sherpa Guides who follow all the tinfoil hat details.
Tinfoil, you say...

Carry on.

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Old 04-04-2018, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Trey Gowdy (R) was just on TV talking about how being a subject of investigation means nothing. "You can be one witness away from being a target."

You can become a target if you have a face to face with Mueller and lie about what he already knows about you.

How many of you would find it comforting to be a subject in Mueller's investigation? Me personally? I'd be scared to death.
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Old 04-05-2018, 05:39 AM
 
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But Trump iw courageous and innocent.

He has nothing to fear from sitting down with Mueller.

If he wants to bring this investigation to an end, that's all he needs to do. Get it settled once and for all.

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Old 04-05-2018, 05:42 AM
 
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Trey Gowdy (R) was just on TV talking about how being a subject of investigation means nothing. "You can be one witness away from being a target."

You can become a target if you have a face to face with Mueller and lie about what he already knows about you.

How many of you would find it comforting to be a subject in Mueller's investigation? Me personally? I'd be scared to death.
Team Mueller could ask me questions all day long about Putin mucking around in our elections and our government. No problem whatsoever.
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Old 04-05-2018, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Mueller told Trump’s attorneys the president remains under investigation but is not currently a criminal target.

Kinda blows the BS the anti-Trumpers have been trying to sell on here.

We have to "wait and see " crowd can't float that nonsense about collusion and he doesn't have the goods for obstruction.

Without a crime Mueller can't compel him to testify. No perjury trap either.

They might get Trump for his ties to the Easter Bunny. The photo evidence from this week will convict him.


You should be on Trump's legal team, with that kind of insight and knowledge. Mueller is no fool, and he is very competent. He has two issues to deal with:

1) Doing the job he was employed to do.

2) Keeping Donald Trump off of his butt and not letting him fire him.

This latest statement by Mueller is designed to accomplish number two. Trump, and his very inexperienced law team (in the area of criminal law) will view this as "We have nothing to worry about, let Mueller alone.". Then, Mueller can quietly continue with his work, without fear of Trump getting antsy.

Hate to break it to you Trumpees, but being a "subject" does not mean Trump is totally out of the woods. There can still be some information forthcoming that will end up at Trump's doorstep, and now Mueller has bought himself some time to find out if that is true.
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Old 04-05-2018, 06:13 AM
 
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Who the hell celebrates being the subject of an investigation?
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Old 04-05-2018, 07:30 AM
 
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So did the "subject" business come from team Mueller or Trump's legal eagles?

https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/...78413822627842
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:15 AM
 
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Rachael Maddow had Joon Kim, the Deputy US Attorney for the Southern District in NY, (who followed Preet Bharara after Trump pressed him to resign) on her show last night and asked for some clarification--

1--what did it mean in the DoJ lexicon to be a "subject of investigation"?

Kim said on the scale of those interviewed in investigation of (possible) crime--
You had someone who was simply a witness w/o any involvement in the crime and no measure of guilt who technically was also a "subject of investigation" and is moved to the no-guilt end of the scale fairly quickly...witness to robbery, a car accident, a bar fight...

Anyone under investigation whose role was not yet determined (and thus whose guilt was not resolved) was a subject of investigation.
As information was uncovered, put into context, and relationships/actions were clarified---then "subjects" could turn into "targets".

Targets of investigations have some measure of guilt depending on that person's role in the crime and the lable "subject of investigation" and "TARGET of investigation" can change very quickly and definitively...

2--If telling Trump's attorney that Trump was a "subject of investigation" meant they would have to be told if Trump moved to "target of investigation"...
He said no---that prosecutors didn't usually call attorneys for targets and warn them their clients were now suspected of being involved in a crime...that would come much closer to arrest time...

Now I don't know how Trump's legal team--all 2 or 3 of them--reacted to being told that small measure of reassurance...but if they know anything about criminal law (and Sekulow certainly doesn't based on his practice history) it should just mean there has been no evidence Trump is a mear witness---a tangential character--to the Russian hacking and other elements of illegal behavior...
And anyone who thinks Trump could ever be "tangential" to strong events happening around him doesn't know Trump...
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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So did the "subject" business come from team Mueller or Trump's legal eagles?

https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/...78413822627842
I didn't see that and don't remember hearing it mentioned on Rachel Maddow's interview with Kim last night

Joyce Vance is pretty cut and dried but she understands the law and has been through a presidential investigation before---so if she says her info is accurate then I think it is...

I would imagine it was Dowd who was in discussion with Mueller's team
Dowd has done some stupid things in past related to letting information out about the investigation but Dowd as a criminal attorney would know there is just one piece of evidence between being a "subject" of investigation and a "target"

Trump and Sekulow I wouldn't bet understand the fragility of that term...
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:48 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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from your link:


Trumps Pardon Power, could be twisted to be Obstruction of Justice.
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