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Old 04-05-2018, 02:56 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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what was minimum wage in 1982?

$3.35
Adjusted for inflation, that's $8.63 today. Still higher than the $7.25 that Federal minimum wage is today.
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Old 04-05-2018, 02:58 PM
 
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A Construction Worker Shortage Weighs on a Hot U.S. Housing Market | Fortune

"those jobs" you mention that were available to boomers were mostly construction or "physical" jobs. I wanted to do some remodeling on my house........I could not find a contractor to even talk to me because they were so far behind......over a year.
I have two daughters both about 40 years old and they have told me that they even think millennials on average are only looking for certain specific jobs. In other words that inside air-conditioned easy path.........

So why is there such a shortage of construction workers for so long if it is not because todays generation is mostly just lazy.............?
We have an estimated 19,000,000 vacant housing units in this country. And that's just for one type of housing.

We also have something like five to ten times the amount of retail space our economy could support.

The last thing we need is more construction. Our economy has a vast, vast surplus of built space we cannot utilize anywhere near capacity.
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Old 04-05-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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In 1982, I'd just have gone to the oil refinery in my town straight out of high school, told them my dad worked there and I'd be put on a list to get called when they had a spot for me, and I'd have made well above minimum. Not anymore.
wow. sounds like you had it easy.
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Old 04-05-2018, 03:03 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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In 1982, I'd just have gone to the oil refinery in my town straight out of high school, told them my dad worked there and I'd be put on a list to get called when they had a spot for me, and I'd have made well above minimum. Not anymore.
Why not? Is it because oil refining is one of those industries that collapsed?
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Old 04-05-2018, 03:04 PM
 
Location: ✶✶✶✶
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wow. sounds like you had it easy.
Except I finished high school in 2000, not 1982.

Now that same job requires a two-year certification. People from my hometown who go to college don't come back.
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Old 04-05-2018, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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you are literally whining right now, in this post, while telling us that you're not whining
The irony.
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Old 04-05-2018, 03:11 PM
 
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Why not? Is it because oil refining is one of those industries that collapsed?
No, in fact it stayed going once the oil exploration/extraction went under later in the 1980s. Whether you're refining West Texas crude or Saudi crude, you're still refining oil.

Believe it or not, 1982 was not bad times for the country as a whole. It was a bad time to be in the part of the country we tend to call the "Rust Belt."
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Old 04-05-2018, 03:16 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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No, in fact it stayed going once the oil exploration/extraction went under later in the 1980s. Whether you're refining West Texas crude or Saudi crude, you're still refining oil.

Believe it or not, 1982 was not bad times for the country as a whole. It was a bad time to be in the part of the country we tend to call the "Rust Belt."
You were born in 1982 so you don't really know except for the information, and misinformation, you've been told about it.

I, however, lived through it so know a bit about the supposed "not bad times".
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Old 04-05-2018, 03:17 PM
 
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cherry pick this.
A Construction Worker Shortage Weighs on a Hot U.S. Housing Market | Fortune

"those jobs" you mention that were available to boomers were mostly construction or "physical" jobs. I wanted to do some remodeling on my house........I could not find a contractor to even talk to me because they were so far behind......over a year.
I have two daughters both about 40 years old and they have told me that they even think millennials on average are only looking for certain specific jobs. In other words that inside air-conditioned easy path.........

So why is there such a shortage of construction workers for so long if it is not because todays generation is mostly just lazy.............?
Or theres just newer fields and newer generations are just more computer literate. If I know how to build the CAD diagrams or program the construction bot etc. why would I settle for less?

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Old 04-05-2018, 03:17 PM
 
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To make your high number valid, or at least you have to remember the following point, is that number is somewhat driven by a small number of metro areas which also tend to have higher wages. Not to mention median family income differences.
i'm fairly sure the definitions of "average" and "median" are the same today as they were in 1982
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