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Old 04-09-2018, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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If Trump supporters believe that the FBI should ignore Trump's potential crimes, then will they also agree that law enforcement should ignore all potential crimes? What makes Trump/Cohen so special? If the FBI was investigating a suspect for Crime A, and they discovered evidence of a Crime B but none for Crime A, should the FBI let them walk?

 
Old 04-09-2018, 03:52 PM
 
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I am looking forward to getting home and reading about these events concerning Mr. Cohen.


Of course, part of me is disturbed that the search warrant apparently involved the seizure of 'attorney-client' privileged information.


Yet, it begs the question: which attorney-client privileged information?


Mr. Cohen does not have such a privilege with Ms. Daniels.


Mr. Trump refers to Mr. Cohen his 'my attorney'. However, Mr. Cohen has tried to thread the needle by claiming that the payment he made to Ms. Daniels, through a dummy corporation, was done without the knowledge of Mr. Trump, and without expectation of reimbursement.


In other words, there may be 'attorney-client' privilege concerning some aspects of the relationship between Mr. Cohen and Mr. Trump, but not others.


Anyway, interesting development.
 
Old 04-09-2018, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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If Trump supporters believe that the FBI should ignore Trump's potential crimes, then will they also agree that law enforcement should ignore all potential crimes? What makes Trump/Cohen so special? If the FBI was investigating a suspect for Crime A, and they discovered evidence of a Crime B but none for Crime A, should the FBI let them walk?

An investigations goes where the evidence takes it. Not sure why some have trouble understanding this.
 
Old 04-09-2018, 03:56 PM
 
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Let's recap:

April 7 -- Trump Tower on fire
April 7 -- Cohen calls a Mr. Shields at Trump Tower and tells him to evacuate. No one else got an evacuation notice.
April 9 -- Cohen's offices raided.

Hmm... coincidence?
 
Old 04-09-2018, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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Well if Democrats and those with TDS think it is ok to use some backdoor method to try and take down a president over this, it is putting politics over the country. Mueller was suppose to be looking for Trump & Russian trying to subvert the election. If he is guilty of that, yes it is a big deal and Mueller should pursue it.
However if it can devolve into all sorts of other petty garbage, then it has become a witch hunt.
So, what's the thrust here... if Trump is guilty of conspiring with the Russians, he's fair game, but if he's only guilty of tax evasion, misuse of campaign funds, bribery, money laundering, or some other trivial felony, it's nobody's business?

Really?




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For example, if a SP were assigned to get Obama on something big, and it was determined he lied about being a foreign student to get admission and low tuition into Occidental, I wouldn't think he should be impeached or an attempt to remove him from office over it.
No (D) would either, and you know it.
I'm not so sure. I think a pretty good argument could be made in that case for impeachment. I certainly wouldn't think it was a "witch hunt," that's for sure. If he wound up getting impeached over it, I would be OK with it.

Never cared much for that pompous blowhard anyway.



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I am looking forward to getting home and reading about these events concerning Mr. Cohen.


Of course, part of me is disturbed that the search warrant apparently involved the seizure of 'attorney-client' privileged information.


Yet, it begs the question: which attorney-client privileged information?


Mr. Cohen does not have such a privilege with Ms. Daniels.


Mr. Trump refers to Mr. Cohen his 'my attorney'. However, Mr. Cohen has tried to thread the needle by claiming that the payment he made to Ms. Daniels, through a dummy corporation, was done without the knowledge of Mr. Trump, and without expectation of reimbursement.


In other words, there may be 'attorney-client' privilege concerning some aspects of the relationship between Mr. Cohen and Mr. Trump, but not others.


Anyway, interesting development.
Does attorney-client privilege even apply if the attorney is acting without the approval or even the knowledge of the client? In such a case, there wouldn't even be any communication to protect. Therefore, if there is communication on this matter between Trump and Cohen, Cohen is lying.

They pretty much have them either way, don't they?
 
Old 04-09-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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This relates to Russian election meddling how?
Maybe it isn't Russian election meddling but the investigation into that brought up some other criminal activity.

Very interesting indeed...........

Don't you think he would have destroyed anything of substance already?
 
Old 04-09-2018, 04:01 PM
 
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So if criminal activity is uncovered while investigating something in scope, what would you have the investigators do? Ignore it?

I'm looking for an honest response, please.
Absolutely. They should stick to the focus of their parameters.
 
Old 04-09-2018, 04:02 PM
 
Location: FL
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I was just about to mention that. If a raid is the course of action it's because either the raidee has been uncooperative about turning over documents or they are worried the evidence will be tampered with or destroyed. Not a good image for the President's lawyer either way.
Exactly!
 
Old 04-09-2018, 04:05 PM
 
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Absolutely. They should stick to the focus of their parameters.
And again - what part of "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation" is so confusing to you that you need a liberal to explain it to you?
 
Old 04-09-2018, 04:09 PM
 
Location: FL
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Cohen's lawyer, Stephen Ryan?

How many attorneys does Cohen have now?
That's what I was thinking. I wonder if he is better then the other one.
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