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Old 04-10-2018, 07:59 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The ground has broken in Santa Teresa, New Mexico for a Bollard Wall to be constructed along a 20-mile stretch of the Mexican border. It will be 18 to 30 feet high and cost $73 million. The purpose of the wall is to prevent illegal entries from Mexico into the United States and make it harder for smugglers and criminals from moving freely between the 2 countries.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...esa/498773002/
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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And one fourth of illegals come here by plane!
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:46 AM
 
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And one fourth of illegals come here by plane!

So what? That means 3/4ths of them are border jumpers. Those coming by plane usually have a visa and only become illegal when they over stay it.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:51 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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So what? That means 3/4ths of them are border jumpers. Those coming by plane usually have a visa and only become illegal when they over stay it.
Ya, we at least know where most of those are, who they are and their backgrounds. Border jumpers we know nothing about.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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And one fourth of illegals come here by plane!
More like 40% actually.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:58 AM
 
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So what? That means 3/4ths of them are border jumpers. Those coming by plane usually have a visa and only become illegal when they over stay it.
Uh, no it doesn't........

You can walk across legally and visit, take a train, a truck or a car...or even a motorcycle.

When those 20 miles are done, what percentage of that is the total wall? My guess is you are cheering about a 1% potential reduction, assuming tunnels or people carrying drones or catapults...or that more people will simply come legally for other reasons (weddings, funerals, etc.) and overstay their visas.

The best wall is to tell your GOP and Ag big business friends to stop hiring them.

The second best one is to tell your small business friends to stop hiring them and paying them cash under the table.

Actually, I am wrong.

The single best wall is to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill which includes a "Wall" (mostly electronic these days" and other systems but also provides our employers a way to legally employ guest workers.

The same law could spell out exactly what is done with those who don't follow the regs. Then it would be nice and clear to all of us.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:59 AM
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More like 40% actually.
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Ya, we at least know where most of those are, who they are and their backgrounds. Border jumpers we know nothing about.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:59 AM
 
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The ground has broken in Santa Teresa, New Mexico for a Bollard Wall to be constructed along a 20-mile stretch of the Mexican border. It will be 18 to 30 feet high and cost $73 million. The purpose of the wall is to prevent illegal entries from Mexico into the United States and make it harder for smugglers and criminals from moving freely between the 2 countries.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...esa/498773002/
20 miles down, only 1,934 to go


at that cost-per-mile it's only $7 billion. What a great use of funds! Too bad it won't stop illegal immigration.
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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More like 40% actually.
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And one fourth of illegals come here by plane!



Ramos: 40% of undocumented immigrants come by air | PunditFact


"The key research on "overstays" -- the working term for this group of unauthorized immigrants Ramos had in mind -- was undertakenin 1997 by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. The INS estimated that overstays accounted for 41 percent of the undocumented.
Here we’ll add a bit of complexity.Immigration researchers divide the undocumented into two groups -- overstays and "entries without inspection." The first group might have a student, temporary work or tourist visa. The second group never went through any review.
Robert Warren -- who helped with that work at the INS and now is a senior fellow at the Center for Migration Studies, a research group founded by Catholic missionaries -- told PunditFactthat not only does the balance between the two still hold, it has likely tilted toward the overstays.
"Since 2000, arrivals from Mexico, who are about 85-90 percent 'entries without inspection,' have plummeted, while overstays have increased, or stayed at about their historical levels," Warren said.
Warren said the shift likely stems from U.S. efforts that have made it harder to enter by land."
So efforts making it more difficult to enter by land have worked. Overstays have not increased but entries without inspection have decreased.


"When we asked Ramos for his source, he pointed us to a 2006 report by Pew. However, while that assessment provides the 40 percent figure, it gives no details on the fraction that arrived in an airplane.
All of the experts we asked said they could only provide a gut assessment on this question.
"I have no information" on the form of transportation used by overstayers at the time of their entry, Pew’s Passel said,"but I suspect that most of them do arrive by plane."
But Rosenblum noted that overstays represent about 16 percent of unauthorized Mexican immigrants, about 27 percent of unauthorized Central Americans, and about 91 percent of all other unauthorized immigrants. Using his group’s estimates of the unauthorized population, that translates into about a third of all overstays coming from Mexico and Central America, and about two-thirds coming from the rest of the world.
"Many, but not all, of the Mexican and Central American overstayers likely arrived legally by land," Rosenblum said. "Almost all of the other overstayers likely arrived by air."
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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Good

Its about time something good is done that both parties agreed with.
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