Haley says Russia will never be our friends. (enemies, suspect, revolution)

[rebeldor]

Originally Posted by craigiri

Against it.

Next question...

Thank you. That's all I needed to know.

[Jimmyp25]

she really embarrassed us today at the UN.... especially since theres 0 proof of this chemical attack besides some video.

[rebeldor]

Originally Posted by phantompilot

OMG if Rand was POTUS the left would poop themselves so hard the SF poop map would just be the entire city.

Not just the left; 90% of the GOP would poop themselves. He'd crush everyone, especially on foreign policy and domestic spying.

[rebeldor]

Originally Posted by phantompilot

I worked on his campaign (And his dads)

But he doesn't have a chance with all these idiot RINOs and the sheer stupidity of party politics. Just look at the slate of nincompoops the RNC managed to assemble for 2016.

What a cluster that was. A whole stageful of idiots - all of them with the exception of Donald Trump totally DEAF AND BLIND to what Americans had been saying.

I caucused for Ron here in CO in 2008 and 2012.

What the RNC did to Ron in 2012--stealing his delegates, refusing to even count his delegates out loud at the convention, refusing to let him speak onstage--turned me off politics forever and furthered my advancement into anarchism.

Have you seen this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39W91O-rUg&t=581s

[Steve McDonald]

Ever since Russia came into existence, centuries ago, it has been a renegade nation, contrary to the interests of all others. It has no friends and will plunder any country that is weak enough to allow it. Their No. 1 export is mobsters and criminals of all sorts. We will be no better, if we allow Trump to have his way here.

[rebeldor]

Originally Posted by Steve McDonald

Ever since Russia came into existence, centuries ago, it has been a renegade nation, contrary to the interests of all others. It has no friends and will plunder any country that is weak enough to allow it. Their No. 1 export is mobsters and criminals of all sorts. We will be no better, if we allow Trump to have his way here.

Like we're any better.

U.S. foreign invasions, 1831-2018:

1831: Falkland Islands
1832: Attack on Quallah Battoo: Sumatra, Indonesia
1833: Argentina
1835–1836: Peru
1838–1839: Sumatra (Indonesia)
1840: Fiji Islands
1841: Samoa
1843: China

1846–1848: Mexican–American War

1852–1853: Argentina
1853: Nicaragua
1853–1854: Ryūkyū and Bonin Islands (Japan)
1854: China
1854: Nicaragua
1855: China
1855: Uruguay
1856: Panama
1856: China
1858: Uruguay
1858: Fiji Islands
1858–1859: Ottoman Empire
1859: China
1860: Colombia, Bay of Panama
1863: Japan
1864: Japan
1865: Panama
1866: China
1867: Nicaragua
1867: Formosa (island of Taiwan)
1868: Japan
1872: Korea
1873: Colombia (Bay of Panama)
1882: Egyptian Expedition
1885: Panama (Colón)
1888–1889: Samoan crisis; First Samoan Civil War; Second Samoan Civil War
1889: Kingdom of Hawaii
1891: Haiti
1891: Chile

1893: Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom

1894: Nicaragua
1894–1895: China
1894–1896: Korea
1895: Colombia
1896: Nicaragua

1898: Spanish–American War

1898–1899: Samoa
1899: Nicaragua

1899–1913: Philippine Islands: Philippine–American War

1900: China, Boxer Rebellion
1903: Honduras
1903: Dominican Republic

1903: Syria

1904: Dominican Republic
1904–1905: Korea
1906–1909: Cuba
1907: Honduras
1910: Nicaragua
1911: Honduras
1912: China
1912: Turkey
1912–1925: Nicaragua
1914: Haiti
1914: Dominican Republic
1914–1917: Mexico

1915–1934: United States occupation of Haiti

1916–1924: Occupation of the Dominican Republic

1917: China

1917–1918: World War I

1917–1922: Cuba
1918–1919: Mexico
1918–1920: Panama

1918–1920: American Expeditionary Force Siberia and the American Expeditionary Force North Russia

1919: Turkey
1920: China

1920–1922: Russia (Siberia)

1922: Turkey
1922–1923: China
1924: China
1925: China
1925: Panama

1926–1933: Nicaragua

1926: China
1927: China
1932: China

WWII

1948–1949: China

1950–1953: Korean War

1955–1975: Vietnam War

1961: Cuba: The Bay of Pigs Invasion

1962–1975: Laos

1965: Invasion of Dominican Republic: Operation Power Pack
1968: Laos & Cambodia
1970: Cambodian Campaign
1978: Zaïre (Congo)
1981: El Salvador
1982: Sinai
1982–1983: Lebanon

1983: Grenada

1983–1989: Honduras
1983: Chad
1986: Libya
1986: Bolivia

1987–1988: Persian Gulf: Operation Earnest Will
1988: Persian Gulf: Operation Praying Mantis
1988: Honduras: Operation Golden Pheasant
1989: Philippines

1989–1990: Panama: Operation Just Cause

1991: Iraq: Operation Desert Storm
1991: Iraq: Operation Desert Sabre
1991–1996: Iraq: Operation Provide Comfort

1992: Sierra Leone

1992–1996: Bosnia and Herzegovina: Operation Provide Promise

1992: Kuwait

1992–2003: Iraq

1993–1995: Bosnia
1993: Macedonia
1994: Bosnia

1994–1995: Haiti: Operation Uphold Democracy

1994: Macedonia
1995: Bosnia
1996: Central African Republic, Operation Quick Response
1996: Kuwait: Operation Desert Strike
1996: Bosnia: Operation Joint Guard
1997: Albania: Operation Silver Wake
1998: Iraq: Operation Desert Fox
1998: Afghanistan and Sudan: Operation Infinite Reach
1999: Serbia

2001–2014: War in Afghanistan

2003–2011: War in Iraq

2003: Georgia and Djibouti
2004: Haiti
2004–present: Pakistan
2010–present: Yemen
2012: Chad
2013: Mali

2014–present: Syria

[boneyard1962]

Originally Posted by banjomike

Whatever else Haley may or may not be, or what her ambitions are, she's right about Russia.

The Russians are not our friends, and will never be for a very long time. Putin fully intends to rebuild the former Soviet empire, refashioned in a newer, less rigid fashion, and won't be content until he succeeds.

His motives aren't as political as financial. He wants Russia be be financially secure, and to be remembered as the Father of New Russia.
To accomplish those goals, he has to weaken American influence and American financial power, any way he can, anywhere it exists and is blocking his ambitions.

That demands a war for minds, not territory, and that's why his hackers are trying their best to mess us up. The more divided and disrupted we are, the easier it is for Putin to edge in and replace us in all the places where our alliances and influence counts the most.
If he keeps us at war with ourselves, he gets to win on the cheap. If we go to killing each other here, he saves Russian lives abroad, and that's all the better for him.

This is what the cyberwar is all about. This is the face of the New Cold War. So far, we haven't even agreed we are all engaged in it, so for Putin, the war campaign has been even easier than he anticipated. But it isn't over yet, though we have no time to spare to get our act together.

You aren't wrong.
I would add that far too often people confuse ally with friend. One is not the same as the other. Russia can be our ally without actually being our friend. We have many such allies. What amuses me is 5 years ago the left criticized the right for Cold War thinking when Romney warned about the Russian threat. The left was all in when Obama had his hot Mic mount and was caught making promises to the Russians. Now the Russians are evil!!
News flash they have always been evil by our standards.
Cyber war. We barely have a cyber defense platform. Instead we invest billions in other countries. We give billions in aid to leaches like Israel, Egypt and Palestine. We spend relatively little in defense against a cyber attack.

[scarabchuck]

Originally Posted by rebeldor

Rand Paul 2020, Tulsi for VP.

Rand Paul and, Nikki Haley for VP

[craigiri]

Originally Posted by phantompilot

all of them with the exception of Donald Trump totally DEAF AND BLIND to what Americans had been saying.

Yeah, he was the only one who realized we cared about the size of his member......and all Americans were thinking about Puzzy Grabbing and that Mexicans were rapists.

[rebeldor]

Originally Posted by scarabchuck

Rand Paul and, Nikki Haley for VP

That makes no sense. She and Rand have completely different views on just about every single issue.