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As an employer if you tell me *requires 5 years of design experience* I presume I have nothing valuable in your opinion but if the description instead says *requires the ability to observe and critically think* that's when I can try and state my case but no company says just that.
I can't give you my value if you've already told me I'm out of the running. You've already made up your mind so what's the point?
Here's the problem with hiring whoever you want. Other companies have to pick up the slack. They know that you have to start somewhere and they want someone to fill up the seat. Great except the person not only had no interest in the job but was not as efficient so she probably lost some customers along the way as well as supplies. Your boss might even be fine with your performance but that doesn't change the fact that your talents/abilities were a better fit somewhere else.
They should be willing to train people sometimes. If you don't train people to do better society will crumble.
They can ship a lot of that work to India and China.
I'm not being mean. Just stating a fact.
Also, it doesn't mean they'll do a good job at it, but that it's cheap.
Companies want cheap. People buy products based on "cheap".
Heck, my father worked at a company that made things like appliances. (This was 20 years ago)
People would instead by cheap-arse foreign stuff and complain about them breaking down....but would then turn around and buy cheap again.
As an employer if you tell me *requires 5 years of design experience* I presume I have nothing valuable in your opinion but if the description instead says *requires the ability to observe and critically think* that's when I can try and state my case but no company says just that.
I can't give you my value if you've already told me I'm out of the running. You've already made up your mind so what's the point?
Here's the problem with hiring whoever you want. Other companies have to pick up the slack. They know that you have to start somewhere and they want someone to fill up the seat. Great except the person not only had no interest in the job but was not as efficient so she probably lost some customers along the way as well as supplies. Your boss might even be fine with your performance but that doesn't change the fact that your talents/abilities were a better fit somewhere else.
They should be willing to train people sometimes. If you don't train people to do better society will crumble.
Here's another ridiculous notion to ponder: I applied for a job that required no experience they actually wanted someone that didn't have any and had an interest in computers. I didn't even get hired by that job despite writing an honest cover letter about how comfortable I am with a computer but had no work history.
You seem to have your brain stuck on this idea that employers owe jobs to unemployed people. They don't. So we need to get your brain unstuck from this idea before we can have a productive conversation about this topic.
As an employer if you tell me *requires 5 years of design experience* I presume I have nothing valuable in your opinion but if the description instead says *requires the ability to observe and critically think* that's when I can try and state my case but no company says just that.
I can't give you my value if you've already told me I'm out of the running. You've already made up your mind so what's the point?
Here's the problem with hiring whoever you want. Other companies have to pick up the slack. They know that you have to start somewhere and they want someone to fill up the seat. Great except the person not only had no interest in the job but was not as efficient so she probably lost some customers along the way as well as supplies. Your boss might even be fine with your performance but that doesn't change the fact that your talents/abilities were a better fit somewhere else.
They should be willing to train people sometimes. If you don't train people to do better society will crumble.
Here's another ridiculous notion to ponder: I applied for a job that required no experience they actually wanted someone that didn't have any and had an interest in computers. I didn't even get hired by that job despite writing an honest cover letter about how comfortable I am with a computer but had no work history.
You need to start your own business and apply your assumptions on what employers should do.
They can ship a lot of that work to India and China.
I'm not being mean. Just stating a fact.
Also, it doesn't mean they'll do a good job at it, but that it's cheap.
Companies want cheap. People buy products based on "cheap".
Heck, my father worked at a company that made things like appliances. (This was 20 years ago)
People would instead by cheap-arse foreign stuff and complain about them breaking down....but would then turn around and buy cheap again.
But is it really cheap? It's cheap initially but less productivity means less dollars. The worst was my first job out of college especially since it paid pretty well (I'm not discounting that paycheck. I well earned it because I do work hard but it would be a lot better if it was a job that I was more passionate and have abilities in) It was temp work. I quit after only 2 days but still that's two days where probably not as much got done because coworkers had to stop what they were doing to help me with my project. I know they probably did not care in a sense but I don't think it's good for anyone's sake to have to resort to a job that made me cry in front of everyone and the worst part about it was I only decided to quit after a coworker said he was going to.
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You seem to have your brain stuck on this idea that employers owe jobs to unemployed people. They don't. So we need to get your brain unstuck from this idea before we can have a productive conversation about this topic.
Would you at least agree that underemployed people deserve a job that they would be better at doing?
Unemployed is a whole nother topic but unemployed people tend to have less money which means less money to give to your company. Besides a lot of you all complain that people shouldn't be on welfare as you don't owe them anything. Wouldn't you agree that an employer owes them more than you?
Plus let's go back to a previous post: they must think they owe it to the people who SAY they have 5 years experience even though they might be lying.
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Would you at least agree that underemployed people deserve a job that they would be better at doing?
No.
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Originally Posted by Nickchick
Unemployed is a whole nother topic but unemployed people tend to have less money which means less money to give to your company. Besides a lot of you all complain that people shouldn't be on welfare as you don't owe them anything. Wouldn't you agree that an employer owes them more than you?
No.
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Plus let's go back to a previous post: they must think they owe it to the people who SAY they have 5 years experience even though they might be lying.
Nope, they don't think they owe it to anyone. And they're right.
However would you at least agree that underemployed people are owed a job that they would be better at doing?
I'm not typically a nice person on this forum because many posters are frankly horrible people with narrow mindsets. With you however, I'm sorry you are having issues with employment but work sucks.
With that said, I'm going to give you advice as if you were my favorite child.
You really need to find a low-stress job. I'm not 100% sure what that is but something kindof mundane and peaceful without deadlines and crisis, definitely not customer service I would think.
I'm not typically a nice person on this forum because many posters are frankly horrible people with narrow mindsets. With you however, I'm sorry you are having issues with employment but work sucks.
With that said, I'm going to give you advice as if you were my favorite child.
You really need to find a low-stress job. I'm not 100% sure what that is but something kindof mundane and peaceful without deadlines and crisis, definitely not customer service I would think.
Have you considered working with elderly?
Other good advice is connections. You gotta build a network with many people. That's how I got my new job, as well as some freelance gigs through some of the music industry. But finally landed a full time job thanks to a professor who offered me a position.
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