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I don't think it's some great conspiracy, OP. It's the way a LOT of markets have gone, not just on Hawaii, but all over the CONUS as well. It's been that way in a loit of the EU as well.
Many Audits is in Ireland show a 400% increase in other plastic waste after a levy or tax on checkout bags had been passed.
- you meant to say that two newspaper articles discovered that people bought more bin liners and that one factory increased output with 300%. That's pretty substantially different and there was no "audit", whatever that's supposed to mean.
I mean, this is the quote, right?
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The article also states that one Irish plastic bag company was employing double shifts of workers to keep pace with a 300% to 400% increase in demand. “It's been phenomenal. You can trace it back to last March when the bag levy came in,” the company's business manager stated.
From the same report:
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According to the article (copy attached) Tesco, the country's leading food retailer, had a 77% increase in the sale of foot-pedal bin liners. Other bin liner sales increased by 75%
I know, I know. 400% increase in other plastic waste sounds so much better. But it's not actually true.
The produce section will still be filled with rolls of plastic bags if you need them.
I speak from experience.
This is the most ridiculous part of the ban. Regardless of what those eco nuts try to deny alternative plastic use goes up. Including those rolls of plastic bags which could not be used for trash bins. As well as other real "single use" plastics that would need to be thrown out after use. And larger bin liners that are only used ones and are more likely to spill and end up on the side of the road.
Anyone who had groceries that spilled into their paper or cloth bags or into their car would quickly learn to double bag them with roll bags.
The most ridiculous thing I seen are farmers markets who claim they went plastic bag free to save the environment or to comply with such ordinance. When in fact they just merely switched from handled bags to those roll handle-less plastic bags and still use the same amount of plastic bags except make things harder for customers to bring things home. How is that good for the environment?
Regardless of what those eco nuts try to deny alternative plastic use goes up.
Nobody denies that. How weak is your case if you have to go strawman on something that basic?
It's really pretty simple: Here is a bag you pay for. Here is a bag you get at no cost. Which bag would you be likely to use less of? The one you paid for? Good.
Nobody denies that. How weak is your case if you have to go strawman on something that basic?
It's really pretty simple: Here is a bag you pay for. Here is a bag you get at no cost. Which bag would you be likely to use less of? The one you paid for? Good.
Nonsense, one thing is those roll bags in farmers markets and supermarkets are totally free to take and are not rationed by the cashier/supermarket unlike the ones at checkout. Our grocery food articles also comes standard with plenty of non reusable plastics that needs to be disposed of. People do need to wrap their litter in one way or another so if they don't get to reuse the bags their groceries come with they will need to use the same amount of bin liners regardless. And those bags contains more thin plastics compared with checkout bags but are much more likely to blow away during collection. Obviously the ordinances has resulted in more plastic litter in the total wastestream regardless of how you try to defend it. How is that good for the environment?
SFDFW waste audits before and after SF's ordinance obviously shows increased total plastic litter since the ordinance started.
Obviously the whole thing is about appearing to be green and coercing people to live a preceived "green" lifestyle not about the truth nor about the bag itself.
Though one can also ask why don't other Hawaiian islands, which have tougher restrictions on permissible bags, require stores to charge for them?
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Im not sure why they stopped the collection centers for plastic bags, this used to be a big thing, people would save them all and then drop them off for recycling. Is recycling plastic not a good thing now?
If they are all going to paper bags again, they should at least come up with a better design, something with handles or holes built in, so you can carry more than a few at one time.
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