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Gardasil is known to cause appendicitis among some people.
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
So why has it become mandatory to vaccinate all infants within days of birth for something that is most often acquired via sex and drugs? An over reaction? A sales opportunity?
Because a significant number of hepatitis B infections are not acquired through sex or needles, and there is no way to prevent those infections except the vaccine.
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
Pharmaceutical companies spend far more on advertising and marketing then they do on drug development.
Remember to never question your doctor.
Nope, drug companies do not spend more on marketing
If you are going to question your doctor, please have more than internet stories to support your questioning.
If you have questions for your doctor, please ask them.
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin
Sometimes people who know a little think they know a lot. Sometimes people who know a little think they know a little. Sometimes experts are wrong. Sometimes experts feel pressure to go along with the majority consensus in their field. Sometimes the majority consensus is wrong. Sometimes the majority consensus is influenced by drug companies.
The Dunning-Kruger experiments were contrived and, I think, very unconvincing. You can contrive an experiment to show just about anything you want.
It is very easy to think of examples where people do NOT over-estimate their knowledge.
Dunning-Kruger is mentioned every time someone wants to support the mainstream consensus on anything. The basic message is "If you are not an expert, your opinion is worthless."
But when experts disagree with the mainstream consensus, they can't use Dunning Kruger. So they say the expert went nuts, or whatever excuse they can find.
Please explain the flaws you find in the Dunning-Kruger experiment. Thank you.
If your "opinion" contradicts expert consensus you should have extraordinary evidence to support it.
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Originally Posted by jaminhealth
(Good grief, Suzy, it must have taken you an hr to type the above #336 long long story)
How I spend my time is important to you - why?
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Originally Posted by Middletwin
They're off subject, big time. This is about pharma making up diseases to sell a drug. Like that high blood pressure med that gave guys erections so pharma put an inert ingredient in the drug and marketed the same drug for erectile dysfunction. Like misusing syndrome for dysmenorrhea, like blathering about side effects, no such thing, all the effects are from the drug. Oh yeah, pharma is making stuff up, for sure. With this convo, they've got someone siphoning articles they want, to the top of a Google search.
No one is misusing "syndrome" for "dysmenorrhea".
Premenstrual syndrome is a collection of symptoms some women get before their menstrual periods. Dysmenorrhea is painful menstrual periods. Women with PMS may or may not have menstrual pain. Women with painful periods may or may not have PMS. The previous poster who claimed dysmenorrhea was renamed PMS is wrong. PS is not an "invented" condition.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
As far as renaming into 'polio-like" illness>
Annual cases in the US:
1400 cases of transverse myelitis
6000 cases of Guillain Barre syndrome
75,000 cases of asceptic meningitis
Let’s do some math.
1,400 + 6,000 + 75,000 = 82,400 cases of polio-like illness every year in the US.
Adjusted for population size (319 million), this affects 0.026% of the population.
Compare to peak incidence of polio in 1952, which was 52,000 cases. Adjusted for population size in 1952 (158 million)? That’s 0.033% of the population.
-- > How many cases of 'polio-like' illness were diagnosed pre-vaccine? Zero. Everything was "polio."
It has even been suggested that FDR did not have polio, but in fact had Guillain-Barre syndrome.
"Immunological pediatrician Armond Goldman of the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston now says FDR's symptoms are more concordant with Guillain-Barré syndrome, a bacterially induced autoimmune disease. For example, polio paralyzes limbs unevenly and doesn't move up the body as happened with Roosevelt. The intense pain he felt when people touched his paralyzed legs isn't commonly seen in poliomyelitis. What's more, it would be highly unusual for polio to strike someone well into adulthood."
Buy, hey, changing diagnostic criteria and renaming polio as lots of other diseases can't POSSIBLY effect number of cases reported, which determines vaccine efficacy. (good GAWD) /sarcasm/
Which is why diagnostic criteria is crucial when studying drug efficacy.
I am not sure what you think the numbers you gave prove.
In buying the anti-vax propaganda that desperately tries to prove that vaccines do not work, you have also bought some fundamental misinformation about polio.
You say, "How many cases of 'polio-like' illness were diagnosed pre-vaccine? Zero. Everything was 'polio.'"
That is false. It was well known before the vaccine that other conditions, including other viruses, could cause the same clinical picture. Given a set of people with the same symptoms, in this case acute flaccid paralysis, additional testing is needed to tell which people in the set have polio and which have something else. That additional testing was done before the vaccine and after the vaccine.
What happened after the vaccine? In the set of people with acute flaccid paralysis, there would still be the subset who have it caused by things that are not polio. That is called non-polio acute flaccid paralysis, because, well, it is not caused by polio. The vaccine will not prevent those cases, because it only prevents polio.
Over time, as the polio vaccine prevents polio cases, the set of cases of acute flaccid paralysis contains a shrinking number of cases of polio and a higher proportion of non-polio cases. That means that when everyone is tested the chance becomes greater that you will find a non-polio case than a polio case. All extending the case finding definition did was give the non-polio cases (which usually did not cause permanent paralysis) a chance to get better.
Both before and after the introduction of the vaccine polio was diagnosed by identifying the poliovirus in someone with symptoms of it.
Whether FDR had it or not is irrelevant. The fact that his paralysis was permanent is consistent with polio.
To this day anyone who develops acute flaccid paralysis will be evaluated to rule out polio, because the implications of finding it are so important in the context of the world wide effort to eradicate it.
The efficacy of a vaccine is not based on "diagnostic criteria". It is based on laboratory confirmed evidence of infection with the disease causing organism the vaccine protects against. The vaccine is given and the number of cases in a group getting the vaccine is compared to a group not getting it, based on laboratory confirmation of infection, not symptoms.
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Originally Posted by Troyfan
They have drugs for something called Restless Leg Syndrome. That's a marketing man's creation if I ever heard one.
Attention Deficit Disorder is another one. Although this sounds like a psychiatrist's creation. It really a form of normal.
If you think RLS is invented, you need to talk to someone who has literally been kicked out of the bed by a partner with it. It was first described in 1672, well before there was any treatment for it. Its effects can be seen in sleep studies.
SPEIGEL: In the 1960s, mental disorders were virtually unknown among children. Today, official sources claim that one child in eight in the United States is mentally ill.
Kagan: That’s true, but it is primarily due to fuzzy diagnostic practices. Let’s go back 50 years. We have a 7-year-old child who is bored in school and disrupts classes. Back then, he was called lazy. Today, he is said to suffer from ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder). That’s why the numbers have soared.
SPIEGEL: Experts speak of 5.4 million American children who display the symptoms typical of ADHD. Are you saying that this mental disorder is just an invention?
Kagan: That’s correct; it is an invention. Every child who’s not doing well in school is sent to see a pediatrician, and the pediatrician says: “It’s ADHD; here’s Ritalin.” In fact, 90 percent of these 5.4 million kids don’t have an abnormal dopamine metabolism. The problem is, if a drug is available to doctors, they’ll make the corresponding diagnosis.
AND:
Leon Eisenberg the "father" of ADHD in his last interview before he died said: "ADHD is a prime example of a fictitious disease."
I've given no source for that quote because it is all over the place, and very easy to find.
Your first link goes to the newspaper, in German, and does not include the story.
Perhaps you might want to consider not using a quote you cannot source.
Leon Eisenberg's comment was taken out of context. In that interview, he was stating that he thought ADHD was overdiagnosed (it probably is). He meant that for some cases the diagnosis is "fabricated", not that it does not exist at all.
1. Diagnostic criteria changed when the vaccine was rolled out. Criteria effectively narrowed the diagnosis and reduced the number of people that were diagnosed. The would reduce the number of diagnoses for ANY disease, no vaccine/medication necessary.
2. Disease states were renamed and recategorized as "polio-like" when the vaccine was rolled out. Which, again, means fewer and fewer were diagnosed with polio. Instead they were grouped into 'polio-like' disease category, removing them from being counted as cases of polio. Before the vaccine was rolled out, everything was just 'polio."
Which means: Claiming the vaccine 'cured' the country of polio is a false statement. Facts suggest there were other influences reducing the number of polio diagnoses.
Give it up. Polio is gone from the US and almost everywhere in the world, due to the vaccine.
The "criteria" did not change diagnostic methods, only the set of people to whom the diagnostic tests were applied. Today, everyone with acute flaccid paralysis - around the world, even in the most remote areas of third world countries - is tested for polio.
There were no other "influences" that made polio go away. The vaccine dunnit.
I will now take the opportunity to express a criticism, and it has to do with polio vaccine.
Polio vaccination in the countries where the attempt to eradicate polio continues uses the live, oral vaccine. Sometimes the virus in the vaccine causes polio. That is why the US stopped using the live, oral vaccine and uses only the inactivated injection.
There are currently outbreaks of polio in the Democratic Republic of the Congo due to vaccine derived viruses. Undervaccination is part of the problem.
It is my opinion that there should be a switch to using only the inactivated vaccine, though there are logistical obstacles to delivering and administering it and it is more expensive. Combating the outbreaks in the Congo is going to be expensive, too. It will be done with vaccination, though.
The screenings provide early detection to the pre-cancerous changes to cervical cells which in turn can be treated prior to developing in cancer. Without the screenings, you’re not going to catch anything and you will see a rise in cervical cancer cases. Cervical cancer screenings have reduced the rate of cervical cancer tremendously since it’s use became widespread due to their role in early detection.
Yes, early detection, not prevention.
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Originally Posted by LaylaM
There are cellular changes that occur before an actual cancer takes hold. Regular screenings detect these changes and there are several reliable procedures and protocols if these abnormal cells are detected.
By the time abnormal cell changes show up on a Pap smear the viral infection causing those changes is already established. Preventing the HPV infection prevents the the abnormal cell changes from ever happening. That means fewer abnormal Pap smears, because with the vaccine there will be much less disease to "catch".
If a a smear is abnormal, typical changes in cells can be seen that are called dysplasia. If the Pap is abnormal, a procedure is performed called colposcopy, which uses a microscope to magnify the cervix and identify the location(s) that the abnormal cells on the Pap came from. Any abnormalities must then be biopsied: tissue removed for further microscopic evaluation. A Pap alone is seldom diagnostic of cancer unless the process is very advanced, at which point there is likely to be a tumor on the cervix which is visible to the naked eye.
Evaluation of abnormal Pap smears is painful (biopsies hurt) and expensive. Treatment can have complications, including bleeding, infections, and adverse effects on fertility. In addition, removing the visible abnormality does not cure the viral infection. That means more abnormal areas may develop with more rounds of testing and treatment.
Preventing the infection that causes abnormal Pap smears will forever be massively better than evaluating and treating abnormal smears.
Medical Professionals on this thread. Just read through these non-compliant posts. Most of us are not parents of very young children. Be WORRIED.
BTW, you want to prevent us from talking to our Adult children about our Grandkids?????? Forget the Internet. Please stop showing these pictures of children with Polio in Iron Lungs and on crutches in leg braces when we talk about Measles, Mumps, and Chicken Pox. Want to put out these pictures for the FLU as well to sell your vaccines?
BTW, I worked with disabled children wearing leg braces and in wheelchairs who had CP. Was THAT also because they were not VACCINATED? Insulting.
By the time abnormal cell changes show up on a Pap smear the viral infection causing those changes is already established. Preventing the HPV infection prevents the the abnormal cell changes from ever happening. That means fewer abnormal Pap smears, because with the vaccine there will be much less disease to "catch".
If a a smear is abnormal, typical changes in cells can be seen that are called dysplasia. If the Pap is abnormal, a procedure is performed called colposcopy, which uses a microscope to magnify the cervix and identify the location(s) that the abnormal cells on the Pap came from. Any abnormalities must then be biopsied: tissue removed for further microscopic evaluation. A Pap alone is seldom diagnostic of cancer unless the process is very advanced, at which point there is likely to be a tumor on the cervix which is visible to the naked eye.
Evaluation of abnormal Pap smears is painful (biopsies hurt) and expensive. Treatment can have complications, including bleeding, infections, and adverse effects on fertility. In addition, removing the visible abnormality does not cure the viral infection. That means more abnormal areas may develop with more rounds of testing and treatment.
Preventing the infection that causes abnormal Pap smears will forever be massively better than evaluating and treating abnormal smears.
Who are you trying to impress with your obsessive factoids? I posted a link with plenty of viable info if anyone is interested in learning more -unlike you who has a never-ending compulsion to ‘enlighten’ us all.
And BTW I have personal experience with this as do many other women I know. Your descriptions of painful procedures, infections, fertility issues, yada yada yada are simply gross exaggerations underscored to support your agenda.
Medical Professionals on this thread. Just read through these non-compliant posts. Most of us are not parents of very young children. Be WORRIED.
BTW, you want to prevent us from talking to our Adult children about our Grandkids?????? Forget the Internet. Please stop showing these pictures of children with Polio in Iron Lungs and on crutches in leg braces when we talk about Measles, Mumps, and Chicken Pox. Want to put out these pictures for the FLU as well to sell your vaccines
BTW, I worked with disabled children wearing leg braces and in wheelchairs who had CP. Was THAT also because they were not VACCINATED? Insulting.
Why are you so intimidated by facts about vaccine preventable diseases?
Not unless their CP was due to a vaccine preventable disease.
"A small percentage of CP is caused by brain damage that occurs more than 28 days after birth. This is called acquired CP, and usually is associated with an infection (such as meningitis) or head injury."
"Haemophilus influenzae type b meningitis case fatality ratios in industrialised countries are around 5% but may be as high as 40% in developing countries. The risk of sequelae is high and 10–15% of survivors develop severe long-term complications, including cerebral palsy, hydrocephalus, epilepsy, blindness and bilateral sensorineural deafness. A further 15–20% will have less severe long-term sequelae such as partial deafness, behavioural and learning difficulties, and speech and language problems."
Haemophilus influenzae type b meningitis is vaccine preventable.
Who are you trying to impress with your obsessive factoids? I posted a link with plenty of viable info if anyone is interested in learning more -unlike you who has a never-ending compulsion to ‘enlighten’ us all.
And BTW I have personal experience with this as do many other women I know. Your descriptions of painful procedures, infections, fertility issues, yada yada yada are simply gross exaggerations underscored to support your agenda.
Why are you so opposed to people learning the facts?
"LEEP Risks and Complications
Complications are not common following LEEP, and they occur in about 1% to 2% of patients. These may include increased bleeding, infection, or narrowing (stenosis) of the opening of the cervix. LEEP has been associated with preterm labor in a subsequent pregnancy and may require careful follow-up."
Now that the HPV vaccine can prevent infection with 90% of the strains that can cause cervical cancer, many fewer women will need to be exposed to those risks.
Wow! What a busy afternoon on CD while I was up in the mountains enjoying the summer weather. I'm going to take this one first.
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
Shrieking? Lol. No. Paps are the reason why cervical cancer declined by 70% between the 1950’s and today. Imagine what would happen if 100% of women got regular paps? Why you, a supposed health professional, would continue to downplay their importance remains a major question mark........Although, not really. Your reasons are actually quite transparent. It’s a part your hobby of pushing pharmaceuticals over any other method of prevention. Your loyalty to vaccines is greater then many people’s loyalty to their own families. I’m in awe.
What you are having a hissy fit and stomping your feet about both now and two years ago is a change in pap smear guidelines from 2015 that were developed in 2012 by the American Cancer Society, the American Society for Colposcopy and Cervical Pathology, and the American Society for Clinical Pathology and the American (College) of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/ne...unaware-of-new
Gardasil vaccine had nothing to do with these. In 2012, the vaccine had only been out six years; the very oldest recipients were only 32, and in reality, most recipients were still in their teens/very early 20s.
I have said several times over now that I, a real (not supposed) health professional agree that women should follow the guidelines. What makes you think you know more than all these people? The same thing that makes you think you know more than the CDC, ACIP, all the professional physician groups in the US; the WHO, the ECDC, Health Canada, UNICEF and all other professional groups world-wide that support vaccines? Would that be Dunning-Kruger?
When are you going to stop being so insulting?
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My doctor told me that she rarely sees a case of cervical cancer in her American patients who have had regular screenings and the vast majority test positive because they came from countries where this was not a part of routine care.
Furthermore, it's a known fact, which I think has been stated here already, that 90% of all HPV infections clear on their own within 2 years. Sure, there are those cases which may result in cancer but, when caught early, this is curable. It's all about continued screening and maintaining safe sex practices.
Heck, for that matter, pharma would like us to get a vax for, virtually, 100% of known diseases - and I'm pretty sure they're working on this.
Meanwhile, the American Cancer Society tells us that in 2018, about 13,240 new cases of invasive cervical cancer will be diagnosed and about 4,170 women will die from cervical cancer. https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cervic...tatistics.html
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010
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I will now take the opportunity to express a criticism, and it has to do with polio vaccine.
Polio vaccination in the countries where the attempt to eradicate polio continues uses the live, oral vaccine. Sometimes the virus in the vaccine causes polio. That is why the US stopped using the live, oral vaccine and uses only the inactivated injection.
There are currently outbreaks of polio in the Democratic Republic of the Congo due to vaccine derived viruses. Undervaccination is part of the problem.
It is my opinion that there should be a switch to using only the inactivated vaccine, though there are logistical obstacles to delivering and administering it and it is more expensive. Combating the outbreaks in the Congo is going to be expensive, too. It will be done with vaccination, though.
You may find this article about polio vaccine interesting. It's still OPV, but just two types instead of 3, and the plan is to switch to all IPV world-wide by 2020. https://www.livemint.com/Politics/dF...e-Heres-w.html
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