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The U.S has a long history fighting against secularism in the Middle East and taking the side of jihadists. This first started in Afghanistan in 1980. The U.S backed the Taliban to fight the Russians. If Russia won Afghanistan would be a great secular country where women where Western fashion. Instead the U.S got what it wanted and Afghanistan is one of the most oppressive, most radical Muslim countries in the world.
Saddam Hussein was a great secular leader who let women look pretty and dress fashionable. He would prison anyone who tried to turn Iraq into an Islamic state. The U.S killed him and got regime change and ISIS rose to power. We did the same thing in Libya. We supported the Arab Spring in Egypt to remove secular leader Mubarak and replace him with the Muslim Brotherhood who insists on female genital mutilation.
Now we are attacking the last secular Muslim country...Syria. There is a clear pattern here. The U.S/West absolutely does not want seculariam in the Middle East...we want Saudi style jihadism in the entire Muslim world. Why do we want this so bad?
We are still stupid enough to believe in the arrival of the Arab Spring.
Secular dictators are better than Islamic fanatics.
Not necessarily.
Islamists are fine as long as they’re left alone. The United States had great relationships with Islamists historically. It’s secular Arab nationalists that we’ve had problems with.
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Secular dictators don’t allow us access to their oil fields.
BINGO!!!
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You're absolutely correct!
Though I was aware of each separate event, I never really acknowledged them together as a patterned synergistic type of behavior.
The United States didn’t start crying about radical Islam until after 9/11. Beforehand, we had few issues with Islamists with the exception of Iran.
The United States has traditionally abhorred secularism in the Middle East because it spawns leaders that we can’t control and look on Israel with suspicion.
The U.S has a long history fighting against secularism in the Middle East and taking the side of jihadists. This first started in Afghanistan in 1980. The U.S backed the Taliban to fight the Russians. If Russia won Afghanistan would be a great secular country where women where Western fashion. Instead the U.S got what it wanted and Afghanistan is one of the most oppressive, most radical Muslim countries in the world.
Saddam Hussein was a great secular leader who let women look pretty and dress fashionable. He would prison anyone who tried to turn Iraq into an Islamic state. The U.S killed him and got regime change and ISIS rose to power. We did the same thing in Libya. We supported the Arab Spring in Egypt to remove secular leader Mubarak and replace him with the Muslim Brotherhood who insists on female genital mutilation.
Now we are attacking the last secular Muslim country...Syria. There is a clear pattern here. The U.S/West absolutely does not want seculariam in the Middle East...we want Saudi style jihadism in the entire Muslim world. Why do we want this so bad?
Very correct assessment. US supported the Islamist Gülen cult in Turkey for decades too. They supported this Islamist cult against seculars. They opened many Islamist schools in Turkey and everwhere in the world. They worked together with the current government and got rid of the seculars in the military, police, judiciary and many other places. US happily supported these political Islamists for decades. They are much easier to use than seculars.
Is “secular leader in the Middle East” code for “tinpot despot propped up by foreign powers?” Because if there’s one thing Islamists, secularists, and those in between in the Middle East generally agree upon, it’s that foreign powers playing geopolitical chess with the people of the region via proxy wars and cold-blooded realpolitik should cut it out ASAP and give the people of these countries the right to control their political destinies.
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