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You would think a competent manager would vs sending a staffer over to deal with any problem real or perceived.
"Hi how are you doing? Can I get you anything?"
"Not yet we're waiting for someone."
Done deal one would think.
Granted I dont see why you wait to order. It's not a formal meal.
Friends wait for their friends to arrive at food establishments before ordering a bazillion Times a day in America...without being arrested.
Yes, being a manager means knowing how to de-escalate. You don't know how much those two people are going to spend on your business once their friend arrives, and you've created a stressful and unfriendly environment for everyone else there by bringing in police to arrest someone. The police are to enforce the law and protect public safety, not run your business for you.
Good post. The one thing I would note though is *what* the local neighborhood is like.
For example, the McDonalds in Roselle, IL by the METRA station has posted notices about not just hanging out there.
They've had problems in the past with old folks and others (keep in mind this is a nice suburb of Chicago) just coming in buying one coffee and refilling it over and over and using the wifi because they don't have it at their home\apt. etc.
I don't remember their exact rule but it was like 1 hour per purchase.
De-escalation is a reasonable course of action. But, in some parts of the country...it's special circumstance.
Of course, that would not have given them their "15 Minutes Of Fame".
Oh, right, that is unkind, they probably were not looking for "fame".
or were they?
I doubt they wanted any involvement with police.
Although it's true that a business can ask someone to leave for any reason (whether they do buy something or not), I see people at Starbucks all the time who aren't buying drinks or food. So I wonder why these men were singled out. I also don't blame the police here, as they were coming out because they were called. Starbuck's is at fault.
If it's true there are details omitted, I have to wonder why we're not hearing those details.
I know that nice restaurants in my area WILL kick someone out if they show up, sit at a table in a prime area of the restaurant, and don't order anything. That's because they lose money if they allow non-customers to take up space during peak business hours. I've actually seen people asked to leave when they were sitting in a fast food place but not eating. But Starbucks is just a coffee shop, not even a restaurant.
It is a fact that some people who work in these types of places can be power tripping jerks. I've seen it quite a few times.
WTH are you talking about? Since when does Starbucks go around enforcing “property rights” on potential customers who wait inside for a friend? What body orifice did you pull that out of?
Again dude...Starbucks has been a meeting place for people since its inception. It’s a damn COFFEE SHOP for crying out loud. That’s what people do in coffee shops! Don’t you folks have coffee shops in Texas? Don’t young people meet up at coffee shops in Texas?
Or is it customary for you people to toss people out of an establishment just because they’re taking too long to order something! Because where I live, that’s not how we treat each other.
Bolded for the inability to seek the truth. It's about leaving when told by those in authority to leave. It's about property rights. Not that you care about the rights of the individual.
It's not about you or where you live. Why don't you go into a business and hang around after they tell you to leave. Report back to us if you would.
Friends wait for their friends to arrive at food establishments before ordering a bazillion Times a day in America...without being arrested.
No one gets arrested for not ordering.
Now not leaving....that's another thing altogether.
Which brings us to the money shot. The Philly mayor isn't blaming the police.
But waiiiiiit for it.....
Spoiler
If the arrest was illegal and unwarranted then it's the polices fault.....sooooo.....it's Starbucks fault for these guys getting arrested? HOLY WTF batman.
But hey, at least this shows you how bullet-proof from politics most major metro police departments are. They can beat you. Shoot you and now they can even arrest you for refusing to leave a business....but if they do, it's still the fault of someone else.
This was not a Walmart, a 7-11, or a teenage hangout. This is a place where people sit for hours and hours. I’ve even people snoozing in Starbucks. And why were these two men subject to “ property rights” when No one else was. They were doing the same thing millions do every day. There is nothing in any aspects of the news stories or from eye witnesses... white ones, that they contributed to the actions taken. And why did the cops bother to handcuff and take them away?
Bolded for the inability to seek the truth. It's about leaving when told by those in authority to leave. It's about property rights. Not that you care about the rights of the individual.
It's not about you or where you live. Why don't you go into a business and hang around after they tell you to leave. Report back to us if you would.
You can stop with the fake outrage anytime now.
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry
Agreed. Unless they are told to leave by someone in authority and don't. Respect the rights of the individual.
Again... since when does Starbucks ask patrons to leave if they’re waiting for another friend to arrive before ordering? Answer: they don’t. Ever. It doesn’t happen.
I’ve never been asked to leave an establishment. Know why? Because businesses don’t normally ask patrons to leave in order to prove that they have “property rights.”
Again... since when does Starbucks ask patrons to leave if they’re waiting for another friend to arrive before ordering? Answer: they don’t. Ever. It doesn’t happen.
I’ve never been asked to leave an establishment. Know why? Because businesses don’t normally ask patrons to leave in order to prove that they have “property rights.”
Again, you Lone Star staters are a weird lot.
lol Keep trying. It isn't about you or anyplace so horribly unlucky that they have you as a patron. It's about not leaving when asked by the property owner. Quit deflecting.
And it does happen.
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