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Old 04-16-2018, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Like he said, we don't care what you friggin call it!

Trump is making every effort to dismantle the ACA, without any vision for replacement.

Many intelligent and patriotic Americans attempted to craft a truly affordable healthcare plan that would replace the nonsensical-vacuous-ER-non-existent plan previously held in place, prior to the years of the Obama presidency.

I do seriously think that Trump along with other GOP members would have preferred to tweak the ACA, rather than attempt to repeal it, if the previous president had been someone else...

It's high time we all listen to Bernie and the OP when it comes to healthcare.

Medicare for All Americans!
What makes you think premiums for expanded Medicare would be cheaper than current premiums?

Enrollees and their employers contributed to Medicare their entire working lives to help fund their health care when they turn 65.

Medicare is not free.

Medicare does not pay for everything and most enrollees have a Supplemental Plan to help pay for that which Medicare does not. Private Insurers make huge profits off Supplemental Plans.

Medicare Advantage is an alternative to traditional Medicare, whereby private insurers ensure the healthcare risks of the elderly who enroll.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Except wasteful testing and insurer profits, while a thing, don't drive most of the excess cost in America. They are simply not that big relative to the whole pie. It's our drug costs and that nurse and physician salaries are much higher here than anywhere else. Just changing who is cutting the check doesn't alter any of that without price controls, which is a whole other can of worms (and the high salaries are recycled back into our economy - the drug thing not so much, it's just a huge unmitigated problem).

On drugs the rest of the world keeps things cheap by free riding off of us - and we're so expensive BECAUSE we let it happen. They can impose price caps unsustainably low because prices can just balloon out here to cover it. The answer is to allow reimportation, and price differential caps on countries that don't allow exportation to keep your US patent. Would make the financing of drug research fair (aka America not carrying the load for the world anymore) and prices here far lower right quick.
Medicare is the largest consumer of prescription medications.

During the Bush 2 years, Congress twice denied Medicare the ability to negotiate/ set a reimbursement rate for prescription medications or to buy medications from nearby Canada.

The Big Pharma lobby went overboard to ensure their interests were protected.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:00 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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What makes you think premiums for expanded Medicare would be cheaper than current premiums?

Enrollees and their employers contributed to Medicare their entire working lives to help fund their health care when they turn 65.

Medicare is not free.

Medicare does not pay for everything and most enrollees have a Supplemental Plan to help pay for that which Medicare does not. Private Insurers make huge profits off Supplemental Plans.

Medicare Advantage is an alternative to traditional Medicare, whereby private insurers ensure the healthcare risks of the elderly who enroll.
Yep. One must pay monthly premiums for Medicare Part B and any other supplemental health insurance bought to cover what Medicare does not (prescriptions, etc.). Medicare also has co-pays.

Do people really think Medicare is free? It's not. Even after paying Medicare taxes for 40-45 years.

Medicaid, however, is 100% free for those on Medicaid and there is no 10-year minimum tax payment requirement for eligibility as there is for Medicare. They never have to pay even one thin dime.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Get our government out of the equation and efficiency will get better with costs going down. The care isn't the problem, it's the costs.
Interestingly, countries with lower costing healthcare have substantially more government engagement in healthcare than the US.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Those aren't our biggest problems. Refer back to my original post. A lot of countries have obesity issues these days.
Indeed they do. World Health Org has declared it a global emergency.

The USA leads the way with 75% of us overweight/obese.

The fatter the population means higher rates of Diabetes, Heart Disease, some Cancers, joint deterioration and so on.

More sick means more claims made which means higher premiums.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Boston
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anyone facing a serious surgery I'll be happy to drop you off at the international terminal at any USA airport so you can fly to wherever you can get the best doctors, facilities and care in the world.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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So long as politicians, the media that feed off them and those who see everything through partisan glasses continue to make healthcare a partisan issue, nothing will change.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Yep. One must pay monthly premiums for Medicare Part B and any other supplemental health insurance bought to cover what Medicare does not (prescriptions, etc.). Medicare also has co-pays.

Do people really think Medicare is free? It's not. Even after paying Medicare taxes for 40-45 years.

Medicaid, however, is 100% free for those on Medicaid and there is no 10-year minimum tax payment requirement for eligibility as there is for Medicare. They never have to pay even one thin dime.
My medicare monthly payment is $134 a month. My wife pays the same, $134. That's $268 a month. What do you get for that $268 ? You get a healthcare plan that pays for 80% of your care. That 20% they don't pay for? ... you need a supplemental plan to cover the cost. Medicare isn't what a lot of people think it is, it's far from free! My supplemental plan is $320 a month. Add $268 and $320, I pay $586 a month. Broke..? no money to pay ...? go on Medicaid, if you can find a doctor who accepts it .....good luck!
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:50 PM
 
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What makes you think premiums for expanded Medicare would be cheaper than current premiums?

Enrollees and their employers contributed to Medicare their entire working lives to help fund their health care when they turn 65.

Medicare is not free.

Medicare does not pay for everything and most enrollees have a Supplemental Plan to help pay for that which Medicare does not. Private Insurers make huge profits off Supplemental Plans.

Medicare Advantage is an alternative to traditional Medicare, whereby private insurers ensure the healthcare risks of the elderly who enroll.
No, the Bernie Sender's version of Medicare is quite different from that which currently exists today.

The overall principle is similar, but premiums are substantially reduced and made quite affordable for most Americans. It really does resemble UHC or single payer healthcare.

GOOGLE: Bernie Sanders- Medicare for All
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Old 04-16-2018, 05:11 PM
 
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anyone facing a serious surgery I'll be happy to drop you off at the international terminal at any USA airport so you can fly to wherever you can get the best doctors, facilities and care in the world.
Aaah jeez louise; you do know that 1.4 million Americans have flown out each year to obtain healthcare elsewhere? Now that ACA is dismantled; you can expect that figure to grow a mite.

You're going to need more cars and drivers.
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