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Old 04-16-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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BP spill is an ACCIDENT. Accidents should be paid by monetary repayment unless there's willful and gross negligence. Purposely polluting the environment is an willful criminal act.
Oh okay so now the government, whose environmental agencies and monitoring y'all want to defund (bc cutting taxes is always top priority), has to additionally prove it was willful.

In other words it's OK to pollute as long as it was an accident. Right. I don't think you could've made my point any better, about why I'm not a libertarian anymore, and how libertarians are basically just pro-business conservatives.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:20 PM
 
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Catalonia before ww2.

There are other examples in south America were local mestizos and the majority indigenous population formed an anarcho-syndicalist society away from government jurisdiction. While they didn't have explosive economic growth (something syndicalist deemphasize on purpose) they were able to provide health care and give an actual say to the working farmers for the first time ever.

In fact in Spain where the anarcho-syndicalism was born Orwell visited and noted that is was the first time in his life he had seen a society where the workers are at the top.
It sounds interesting. I will look into it.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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It sounds interesting. I will look into it.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Was the Paris Commune anarcho-syndicalist?
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You’re right, I meant get 100 people to agree to live in a society and do it continually. When those people are done, the majority will move back to their cities, towns, farms, etc.
Purely speculation.

But the bigger issue as I see it is there is no where for us to go.

Had I moved to Somalia in the past few years as suggested by statists on this very board I may have been killed by the very same people who told me "if you want freedom go to Somalia".

From February of this year...

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Somalia is facing yet another major crisis as the United States steps up its drone attack and combat operations in this Horn of Africa state.

Drone attacks are promoted by the Defense Department and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) as an effective means of targeting so-called “terrorists” without threatening the lives of innocent people and American soldiers. This of course is not always the situation on the ground.

The impact of drones on civilian populations has proven to be devastating. In most cases those killed, injured and dislocated are not the targeted individuals or groups. Civilians including women, children and the elderly tend to be the primary victims.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/pentag...drawal/5627979

The statists really need to decide on a story and stick with it. I live here = you initiate force/kill me. I live there = you initiate force/ kill me.

Where am I to go without you folks killing me? Are you going to start suggesting the moon next or will you kill me there as well?
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Was the Paris Commune anarcho-syndicalist?
technically no (it was 'invented' later) but practically they were very similar with a voluntary democracy based on work place participation and separate federations to encompass them.

The missing element was the syndicates but again, they were a form of anarcho-communism (same as syndicalism) that were also affected by communists and socialists within the commune.

It was very similar.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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The statists really need to decide on a story and stick with it. I live here = you initiate force/kill me. I live there = you initiate force/ kill me.
Its almost like Utopia doesn't exist. I find your reasoning quite weak everyone just needs to understand my ideology and we would have world peace seems incredibly naive.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Its almost like Utopia doesn't exist. I find your reasoning quite weak everyone just needs to understand my ideology and we would have world peace seems incredibly naive.
We wouldn't have world peace. Quit saying that.

Will you kill me on the moon? You killed people in Somalia...perhaps even today.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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We wouldn't have world peace. Quit saying that.

Will you kill me on the moon? You killed people in Somalia...perhaps even today.
Also your a hypocrite if you truly believed in your principles you would refuse to pay taxes. Take a stand for what you believe in.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Its almost like Utopia doesn't exist. I find your reasoning quite weak everyone just needs to understand my ideology and we would have world peace seems incredibly naive.
Let's be clear, the ideology I support is, force shall never be used except in defense of self or others, and, the property of others shall be respected absolutely. That's it, as long as people abide by those two simple rules they can do what they wish, they can build ball stadiums, or hobbit holes, or just sleep on the beach, work or not work. Just don't steal and don't initiate violence

Pretty simple don't you think.

Could you summarize your ideology for comparison so we can understand precisely what it is?
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