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Old 04-20-2018, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Which is bad news for Joe. But good news for Electrical Renal failure guy.

Are you making this up on the fly?
I went to Mises to try to figure it out and still couldn't get to the bottom of it.

And Mises knows all!

Can you read the following and make heads or tails out of it? From what I gather this is sort of a "simulated reality" that the "philosophy" (which has no tenets by the way unlike anarcho-captitalism with a whopping 2) is then set down in and the pieces then move around the board.

That's why I compared it to a chess game in progress. There's already rules in places (the different pieces with different abilities) and strategy has already been realized via moves.

In fact, everyone read this. I command you. I'm taking over as head Statist for a bit until we figure things out.



https://mises.org/library/anarcho-sy...sm-recipe-ruin
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:13 PM
 
Location: *
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Neither are dogs, cats, parrots, horses, lettuce, coral, bacteria, fungi.

Can I own a cat, dog, or mushroom?

You're right that parents don't own their kids, because hey surprise their kids own themselves .
You seem to be beside yourself.

Guess that happens when one believes people are objects, & the owner & the owned are the same object.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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But, to a renal transplant surgeon, one of his materials (thus resources) are kidneys.
A transplant surgeon offers a service, not a good. Moving a kidney from one person to the other via consent by both participants is not a tool of production but the purpose of the service.

If no one else needs a transplant the surgeon has no rights to force it out of them.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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But, to a renal transplant surgeon, one of his materials (thus resources) are kidneys.
It makes me wonder under anarcho-syndicalism:

If I buy or growing or even just find a banana do I have to report to a centralized authority what I'm doing with it?

I may eat it.

I may pray to it.

I may make art out of it.

I may stick it somewhere for sexual gratification.

I may feed it to my horse (will a horse eat a banana?) so he has energy to take me to the next town over tomorrow.

Sounds like a lot of paperwork.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I went to Mises to try to figure it out and still couldn't get to the bottom of it.

And Mises knows all!

Can you read the following and make heads or tails out of it? From what I gather this is sort of a "simulated reality" that the "philosophy" (which has no tenets by the way unlike anarcho-captitalism with a whopping 2) is then set down in and the pieces then move around the board.

That's why I compared it to a chess game in progress. There's already rules in places (the different pieces with different abilities) and strategy has already been realized via moves.

In fact, everyone read this. I command you. I'm taking over as head Statist for a bit until we figure things out.



https://mises.org/library/anarcho-sy...sm-recipe-ruin
Mises, a neo-liberal site that advocates from private authoritarianism has the bias of trying to show anarcho-syndicalism in bad light despite the fact that it actually works and has worked in the past.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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A transplant surgeon offers a service, not a good. Moving a kidney from one person to the other via consent by both participants is not a tool of production but the purpose of the service.

If no one else needs a transplant the surgeon has no rights to force it out of them.
During the procedure what exactly is the kidney? Does it have a title?
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:16 PM
 
Location: *
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Your religion falls apart with self-ownership.
Self-ownership is a nonsensical & meaningless concept.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Your religion falls apart without self-ownership.
Well lucky for us, you can't deny self-ownership without contradicting yourself while doing it. You're exercising ownership over your body just by typing that out or speaking those words.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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It makes me wonder under anarcho-syndicalism:

If I buy or growing or even just find a banana do I have to report to a centralized authority what I'm doing with it?

I may eat it.

I may pray to it.

I may make art out of it.

I may stick it somewhere for sexual gratification.

I may feed it to my horse (will a horse eat a banana?) so he has energy to take me to the next town over tomorrow.

Sounds like a lot of paperwork.
There are no centralized authorities. What centralized authority gives you right to land ownership in capitalism?

None, the concept of universal rights are the same in both cases.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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During the procedure what exactly is the kidney? Does it have a title?
It's your body part. Once you give it to someone else (the transaction served by the surgeon) you no longer own possession of it but until the transplant is complete it is yours.

I think you are trying to make this more complicated than it really is. I've retread the same water at several points by now.
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