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Old 04-23-2018, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
So you agree, it has to be FORCED. That's the very definition of slavery: confiscating the fruits of one's labor, by force, to directly benefit others.
Pedantic drivel. Did you know IC that you are also FORCED to breathe air?

 
Old 04-23-2018, 09:09 AM
 
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Out of touch elitist thats what this comment tells me. Also the hyperbole my goodness comparing federal income taxes to chattel slavery incredible.
It can be close enough at prohibitive marginal rates. Not so today.
 
Old 04-23-2018, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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It can be close enough at prohibitive marginal rates. Not so today.
You people are something else comparing tax to chattle slavery. What a disgusting worldview you have.
 
Old 04-23-2018, 09:15 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Just like if I run a convenience store, if a customer decides they want a bag of chips without paying, you don't just let them walk out of the store with it. Don't be dense��
To use your analogy... WHY are we letting 47% of all 1040 filers "walk out of the store with a bag of chips without paying?"
 
Old 04-23-2018, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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To use your analogy... WHY are we letting 47% of all 1040 filers "walk out of the store with a bag of chips without paying?"
Because the federal government decided they don't have a tax liability due to lack of income. But for those like myself or you who are lucky enough to earn enough to have a tax liability, do as I do and don't complain.

Again, just 5 years ago, I was in the camp that earned low enough that I had no tax liability, and I was worse off, not better than I am now that I do pay income tax. Consider yourself fortunate
 
Old 04-23-2018, 09:23 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Huhwhat?

In my experience, a good many conservative, Christian types ARE against sex ed in schools. I did not say it had been eliminated.
Because it hasn't, and it won't. Your ridiculous imaginings to the contrary, notwithstanding.

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There have been schools that wanted to offer free condoms on their campuses and conservative, Christian parents lost it over that, too. They wanted abstinence taught.
Like I said, there are 10,000+ public health department family planning clinics throughout the U.S. that hand out free condoms and provide free or very low-cost (sliding-fee scale) birth control services. The problem is getting people to be RESPONSIBLE enough to use those resources.

When people aren't responsible for the consequences of their actions (they'll get a plethora of freebie handout public assistance benefits if they bear children), they don't care to make an effort to prevent pregnancy.

THAT'S the problem: we financially incentivize irresponsibility. We financially reward irresponsibility. STOP doing so, and everything changes.
 
Old 04-23-2018, 09:24 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Out of touch elitist thats what this comment tells me.
Your post screams pro-slavery. Own it!
 
Old 04-23-2018, 09:25 AM
 
Location: My House
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Because it hasn't, and it won't. Your ridiculous imaginings to the contrary, notwithstanding.

Like I said, there are 10,000+ public health department family planning clinics throughout the U.S. that hand out free condoms and provide free or very low-cost (sliding-fee scale) birth control services. The problem is getting people to be RESPONSIBLE enough to use those resources.

When people aren't responsible for the consequences of their actions (they'll get a plethora of freebie handout public assistance benefits if they bear children), they don't care to make an effort to prevent pregnancy.

THAT'S the problem: we financially incentivize irresponsibility. We financially reward irresponsibility. STOP doing so, and everything changes.
This is a gross oversimplification of a complex issue.
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Old 04-23-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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You people are something else comparing tax to chattle slavery. What a disgusting worldview you have.
Actually, the current taxation system is defined almost perfectly by what Frederick Douglass described as quasi-slavery.

As a quasi-slave, he was allowed to move about freely (staying within the confines of the US, of course), he was allowed to seek out employment under whatever terms he and employer negotiated, and he could work as much or as little as he chose/could afford, but...he had to pay tribute/tithe to his master for every dollar he earned, at no point is ever free from this system, ad should he fail to pay the tribute/tithe his Master can legally subject him to violent punishment. The Master still owns him, but instead of employing him directly as field hand on the plantation, he outsources him as a paid laborer.

Quite literally, the only difference between the modern taxpayer and a quasi-slave is the freedom for the modern taxpayer to seek out a different national master who has the same basic rules, just in a different nation.

Taxes are forced tribute/tithe to a master, and if not paid, that master can and will subject the slave to violent punishment.
 
Old 04-23-2018, 09:27 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Pedantic drivel. Did you know IC that you are also FORCED to breathe air?
Not by the government. And you also CANNOT correctly assert that 47% of 1040 filers don't have to breathe air.

Don't be obtuse. You all are making my point for me.
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