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Old 04-23-2018, 02:57 PM
 
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And PS to Hoonose - you know that collecting rent from leasing owned property is "profit seeking", not rent seeking/extraction, right?

Profit made from the difference in cost and revenue is simple trade. Rents on leased real estate are not extractions, but are mutually agreeable trading of cash (rent) for a service (allowed to live/work inside owned space). Totally different than government sponsored extortion based on their monopoly on force and violence.
Rent seeking or rent extraction is where one makes money from a business or operation by exploiting some niche within that business or operation. An exploit which is typically passive and does not add to results or production. So for relatively little input the rent seeker gains a disproportionate bunch.

It might be gov't related, it might be local monopoly related. Usually legal.

But the perp learns the game, and then either uses existing rules, bends or creates new rules to suit his position.

Pols certainly can be in such positions before and after public service. Maybe news people.

These days with import/export legislation there can be some big money waiting to be made.

Rent Extraction - Cafe Hayek

 
Old 04-23-2018, 03:42 PM
 
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Rent seeking doesn't just refer to property. One of the biggest areas it applies is to intellectually property, like copyrights
For instance moneys made by people/companies buying up patents and then leaning on other companies infringing - or not. There can be large gray zones there, and litigation expensive. Rent seeking can be like legal extortion.
 
Old 04-23-2018, 04:57 PM
 
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Just like if I run a convenience store, if a customer decides they want a bag of chips without paying, you don't just let them walk out of the store with it. Don't be dense😒

How else is government supposed to run without taxes. Are government employees supposed to work for free as volunteers?
Trying to leave without paying is taking other people’s fruit of labor by force.

Sales tax and VAT.
 
Old 04-23-2018, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Just like if I run a convenience store, if a customer decides they want a bag of chips without paying, you don't just let them walk out of the store with it. Don't be dense��

How else is government supposed to run without taxes. Are government employees supposed to work for free as volunteers?
What if you give them the bag of chips when they never asked for it, then force them to pay?

How else is a convenience store supposed to stay in business if you can't force people to buy stuff?
 
Old 04-23-2018, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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What if you give them the bag of chips when they never asked for it, then force them to pay?

How else is a convenience store supposed to stay in business if you can't force people to buy stuff?
Spring is a little late in your neck of the woods from what I understand. Still, there's nothing stopping you from going door to door and getting lawns in shape after the long winter (cutting, fertilizing, leaf pickup). Then just knock on the door of the unsuspecting home owner and demand compensation for services rendered.

Tell them the Statists on CD told you it was ok and that you'd be paid. Then report back to us on how it goes.

 
Old 04-23-2018, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Spring is a little late in your neck of the woods from what I understand. Still, there's nothing stopping you from going door to door and getting lawns in shape after the long winter (cutting, fertilizing, leaf pickup). Then just knock on the door of the unsuspecting home owner and demand compensation for services rendered.

Tell them the Statists on CD told you it was ok and that you'd be paid. Then report back to us on how it goes.

Well they are in my territory, so they agreed to it by not moving. I might even threaten competing businesses because they're uh...unlicensed by me...so they're not trustworthy and need to be shut down for public safety reasons.
 
Old 04-23-2018, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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What if you give them the bag of chips when they never asked for it, then force them to pay?

How else is a convenience store supposed to stay in business if you can't force people to buy stuff?
If you drive on a single public road, you agreed

Checkmate👍
 
Old 04-23-2018, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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I figured keeping the marginal rate under 50% at the top still was low enough to incentivize work or production
I think that for the most part, lower rates serve to incentivize work. Higher rates...not so much. Historically, when we cut taxes monies to the Treasury increase.
 
Old 04-23-2018, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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There is nothing magic about the number you came up with. Maybe a good number, maybe not so much. Why not 45% or 65%? Point is, There has to be some semblance of logic when coming up with a tax rate....not just a guess or "I feel". As anyone knows, when rates get too high they have a negative impact on monies to the treasury.
And as The Cheeto's tax bill is showing, too low of rates have a negative impact on the treasury as well.

Touche
 
Old 04-23-2018, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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If you drive on a single public road, you agreed

Checkmate👍
Agreed to what?

Also, way to not address what I said.
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