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Old 04-17-2018, 12:35 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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This isn't about illegals. Contrary to what some liberals think because they like to lump all immigrants together, many immigrants are here legally.
Also, burglary is not considered to be a violent crime in any data that looks at crime statistics. It was a fair ruling as far as I'm concerned.
Yep. He's a lawful permanent resident. States so in the ruling. Burglary. Not in and of itself a violent crime. Have him pay restitution, serve some jail time, etc.

If it had been armed robbery, different story.
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Old 04-17-2018, 12:37 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Burglaries of an unoccupied residence are not considered violent crimes in any state that I'm aware of. It's a leap to say that it's a violent crime because the house "might" have been occupied and a resident could have been injured or killed. That would be like saying DUI is a violent crime because the impaired drive might have caused a collision and killed someone.

“I look at the text of the Constitution, always a good place to start, and the Due Process Clause speaks of the loss of life, liberty, or property."


I guess, the tourist didn't break anything he could not pay for out of his pocket and didn't take anything.
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Old 04-17-2018, 12:39 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Anyone who thinks Gorsuch is going to be a social Conservative is a fool. Scalia often ended up championing incredibly liberal social ideas because they fell on the right side of strict textualism.

Those people who think that abortion or gay rights are going to gutted by Gorsuch are going to be sorely disappointed because those ships have sailed. Gorsuch's effect on the Courts is going to be most felt in cases like Citizens United where corporations are further empowered.
I honestly doubt that will ever happen, by anyone.
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Old 04-17-2018, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I honestly doubt that will ever happen, by anyone.
I'd never say never. But yeah, SCOTUS is not likely to completely walk back gay rights/same-sex marriage or abortion rights any time soon.

Although I think that they are going to have to rule on how far states may go in regulating abortion some time in the near future.
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Old 04-17-2018, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Government wanted to deport alien on grounds that 2 burglaries were “dangerous” crimes, but the Supremes say no. The specifications of the statute in question were deemed too vague and thus unconstitutional by the 9th Circuit and the Supremes concurred.

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-...f?userid=57999

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-james-garcia/
it's obvious that Ginsburg took Gorsuch aside on his first day and said "Listen here ******wood, look over at me when we vote and I'll tug on my right ear for yes, or my left ear for no, less you want to end up like Scalia...see?"
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Old 04-17-2018, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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This isn’t such a big issue anyway. It is about people who are here legally. It doesn't pertain to illegal aliens.

Thankfully, they can still be deported, and for a lot less.

Supreme Court Votes for Justice; Republicans Feel Betrayed

The knee-jerk Trumpists are deflecting from the facts, as expected, by claiming that this decision isn't any big deal. Well, it is a big deal, because it means that the slam-dunk they thought they were gaining against "justice for all", when the Supreme Court was stacked in favor of conservatives, isn't a sure thing at all.

The underhanded advantage republicans thought they were getting, by stonewalling Obama's pick for the court, during his last year in office, has backfired on them and probably will again, when they try to steamroll over the constitutional rights of their favorite targets, such as immigrants.

It must be a bitter pill for the right-wingers, to be faced with the fact that they don't own the Constitution. It's there to serve everyone, despite their mass-delusion that they are the chosen ones (the only ones), whose agenda it supports. We can be very thankful for the independence of our courts. If it hadn't been for them, slamming Trump's attempts at running a lawless dictatorship, time after time, we'd be in much worse shape by now.

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Old 04-17-2018, 01:47 PM
 
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WHOOOOAAAAA Hang on -- so some of you conservatives, Trump fans, anti-illegals -- are now saying that if an illegal resident performs a non-violent crime they should be allowed to stay???

What -- wait -- hang on - so -- a person brought here as a baby -- who has graduated high school and now in university -- is all set to get a degree -- should be sent back to their homeland...but

Gorsuch made the right decision to say a criminal illegal should be allowed if it isn't a violent crime?

Am I missing something.
yep you are missing something.


this person was a LEGAL immigrant. utterly different. so you can stop breathlessly freaking out.
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Old 04-17-2018, 01:48 PM
 
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Gorsuch sides with liberals; allows criminal alien to avoid deportation


Or, perhaps he just sided with the law and conservatives are butt hurt because he didn't consider their wants and desires above the law.
or maybe we aren't butthurt because we agree with Gorsuch that laws should not be vague? maybe that's possible?


I tell you what lets go with your version. makes your world more comfortable to believe all conservatives are evil racist who hate everyone.
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Old 04-17-2018, 01:58 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Supreme Court Votes for Justice; Republicans Feel Betrayed

The knee-jerk Trumpists are deflecting from the facts, as expected, by claiming that this decision isn't any big deal. Well, it is a big deal, because it means that the slam-dunk they thought they were gaining against "justice for all", when the Supreme Court was stacked in favor of conservatives, isn't a sure thing at all.

The underhanded advantage republicans thought they were getting, by stonewalling Obama's pick for the court, during his last year in office, has backfired on them and probably will again, when they try to steamroll over the constitutional rights of their favorite targets, such as immigrants.

It must be a bitter pill for the right-wingers, to be faced with the fact that they don't own the Constitution. It's there to serve everyone, despite their mass-delusion that they are the chosen ones (the only ones), whose agenda it supports. We can be very thankful for the independence of our courts. If it hadn't been for them, slamming Trump's attempts at running a lawless dictatorship, time after time, we'd be in much worse shape by now.
You guys are so desperate to eek out a wins when they dont really exist, that you twist reality to get them. That is why stories like this get sensationalized. That is why you equate illegal aliens with legal immigrants.
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:07 PM
 
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yep you are missing something.


this person was a LEGAL immigrant. utterly different. so you can stop breathlessly freaking out.
Thank you to you and others who corrected me. I do appreciate it.
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