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Old 04-19-2018, 05:24 PM
 
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In fairness, it could motivate more women to pursue STEM type work and that's good for all of us.

We have tons of male role models in these types of endeavors, frankly it makes logical sense to motivate more women at very young ages to pursue the sciences.
good lord...

WHy should anyone be forced into a profession that they have no interest in?

If women collectively, unto their own decide to be teachers more so than physicists and astronomists...who cares?

 
Old 04-19-2018, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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good lord...

WHy should anyone be forced into a profession that they have no interest in?

If women collectively, unto their own decide to be teachers more so than physicists and astronomists...who cares?
At what point did forcing anyone into a profession become part of this conversation?
 
Old 04-19-2018, 05:39 PM
 
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Why, when women don't perform as well in STEM as men do?

What's logical about motivating less well-suited people to pursue a career in those fields?

Surely if you're a math guy, you've seen this first hand.
This comment is ridiculous. You are using a gender generalization as a sweeping argument against women going into STEM. People are individuals and should be judged as such. Feminism is simply allowing equal oppurtunity regardless of gender. Do you believe that no woman has ever done as well or better than any man in a STEM field of study? There are many women who excell in STEM related fields and have abilities that far surpass the majority of men. Those qualified women have just as much right as a man to study and apply for any STEM realted career, including a future trip to Mars.

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Old 04-19-2018, 06:09 PM
 
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This is why NASA hitches rides with Russians to get into space.
 
Old 04-19-2018, 06:17 PM
 
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So Caitlin Jenner and Chaz Bono are BOTH qualified? Awesome!
 
Old 04-19-2018, 06:19 PM
 
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This comment is ridiculous. You are using a gender generalization as a sweeping argument against women going into STEM. People are individuals and should be judged as such. Feminism is simply allowing equal oppurtunity regardless of gender. Do you believe that no woman has ever done as well or better than any man in a STEM field of study? There are many women who excell in STEM related fields and have abilities that far surpass the majority of men. Those qualified women have just as much right as a man to study and apply for any STEM realted career, including a future trip to Mars.
Referring to the TRENDS not any one specific individual.

There are always outliers in any population. But when there are x times as many men as women, it might be reasonable to make allowances for the fact that you are that much less likely to find that excellent candidate in the female population than in the male population.

NASA should just be honest and call all their missions the "Quest for Virtue-Signalling".
 
Old 04-19-2018, 06:45 PM
 
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Referring to the TRENDS not any one specific individual.

There are always outliers in any population. But when there are x times as many men as women, it might be reasonable to make allowances for the fact that you are that much less likely to find that excellent candidate in the female population than in the male population.

NASA should just be honest and call all their missions the "Quest for Virtue-Signalling".
Yes, you were making a HUGE generalization and claiming women shouldn't be encouraged to do something they won't excell at even though many do and many more likely can if encouraged. Girls are better at reading comprehension and language. Apparently, we should tell boys not to bother studying these female areas and trying to do better. We can avoid putting men in careers that need this skill since you believe we should base who studies what and the future careers they choose on gender generalizations rather than an individual's actual skills.

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Old 04-19-2018, 09:42 PM
 
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Yes, you were making a HUGE generalization and claiming women shouldn't be encouraged to do something they won't excell at even though many do and many more likely can if encouraged. Girls are better at reading comprehension and language. Apparently, we should tell boys not to bother studying these female areas and trying to do better. We can avoid putting men in careers that need this skill since you believe we should base who studies what and the future careers they choose on gender generalizations rather than an individual's actual skills.
Only in childhood. There aren't any differences as adults.

If there were persistent differences that extended into the workforce, THEN your suggestion would have some merit. But there aren't....and it doesn't.

What else you got?

BTW I never suggested a general prohibition on women in STEM. Only that forcing them into these areas in which they do not demonstrate interest or ability equivalent to that of men is foolish...because it defies natural fit and the benefits that come from a merit-based system, and instead substitutes an irrational SJW impulse.

Of course individuals should be chosen on the basis of their merit. I have never said otherwise. Testing can usually reveal exceptional aptitude or ability in a general area.
 
Old 04-19-2018, 09:46 PM
 
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This is why NASA hitches rides with Russians to get into space.
Nah, it's way more complicated (and depressing) than that.
 
Old 04-19-2018, 10:00 PM
 
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::barf::

Belied by the fact that many formerly male dominated fields are now female dominated. The number of fields in which one gender is better suited than another is astronomically low.
An astronomically low number, eh?
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