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Old 04-20-2018, 06:15 AM
 
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It's the best ideal to shoot for, but not the reality of human nature at the end of the day, nor is it an adaptable structure, which life, frankly, constantly requires.

That said, the constant talking down of it is just an excuse to justify failure, even if that would've been the outcome anyway.
I am a human. it is my nature.

 
Old 04-20-2018, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Yeah those crazy liberals with their nasty ideas like weekends (no more 6 day workweeks), paid overtime, paid time off, safety regulations, child labor laws, Social Security and Medicare and so much more. Life was just perfect before they came along.....
Religion is why we have weekends. Paid time off/overtime and what most of us depend on for healthcare are a part of a contract between employer and employee in a free market.
 
Old 04-20-2018, 06:31 AM
 
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done with snark.... so lets think about this.


By every measure, the family this thread is about is better than any other option.
Kids raised in 2 parent homes are more likely to be successful. They will be better adjusted. They are many times less likely to end up in prison.


Married couples live longer. Report greater life satisfaction and have more healthy lifestyles. They even deal with stress better.


There isn't a measure that shows a lacking in the nuclear family.


ON the other hand, all the various different ways of doing things are fraught with risk and difficulty. society has made changes and challenged the status quo but those changes cause more problems than they seek to solve.
 
Old 04-20-2018, 06:32 AM
 
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It's the way people lived for thousands of years.
 
Old 04-20-2018, 06:37 AM
 
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The home and the nuclear family concept was under ridicule as far back as the 60s and 70s. Moving to the suburbs was a dream to some and a nightmare to others.

As we age those that spurned the suburbs started to move into them. Raised families and made it their homes. As we age further and as their kids grow up many now prefer the cities. Public transportation, convenience and social services make city life more desirable for many.

There were stories in 2008 about the slumming of upscale developments as these houses were lost to foreclosure and were left to deteriorate. The recovery has slowed this process, at least I have not read abut it lately.

I would add that as people become more environmentally aware, the idea of living on small cookie cutter lots may lose its appeal.

But, ironically, as immigrants move to this country they will want what we have now. And, things go in cycles anyway.

Developments and suburbs will not go anyway in the near future. Whether it is a dream or nightmare is all in your perspective.
 
Old 04-20-2018, 06:43 AM
 
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The home and the nuclear family concept was under ridicule as far back as the 60s and 70s. Moving to the suburbs was a dream to some and a nightmare to others.

As we age those that spurned the suburbs started to move into them. Raised families and made it their homes. As we age further and as their kids grow up many now prefer the cities. Public transportation, convenience and social services make city life more desirable for many.

There were stories in 2008 about the slumming of upscale developments as these houses were lost to foreclosure and were left to deteriorate. The recovery has slowed this process, at least I have not read abut it lately.

I would add that as people become more environmentally aware, the idea of living on small cookie cutter lots may lose its appeal.

But, ironically, as immigrants move to this country they will want what we have now. And, things go in cycles.

Developments and suburbs will not go anyway in the near future. Whether it is a dream or nightmare is all in your perspective.
Millenials are moving out of cities now.

American cities have always been waystations. Immigrants were there because that's where they entered the country. Their kids moved out. Workers lived there but their kids moved out when the moved up the social ladder. Today, except for a few coastal cities where finance or international trade dominate, cities are repositories for poor people. Those who can afford to move out have.
 
Old 04-20-2018, 06:48 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Millenials are moving out of cities now.

American cities have always been waystations. Immigrants were there because that's where they entered the country. Their kids moved out. Workers lived there but their kids moved out when the moved up the social ladder. Today, except for a few coastal cities where finance or international trade dominate, cities are repositories for poor people. Those who can afford to move out have.
Don't forget, lots of rats and filth as well.
 
Old 04-20-2018, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Millenials are moving out of cities now.

American cities have always been waystations. Immigrants were there because that's where they entered the country. Their kids moved out. Workers lived there but their kids moved out when the moved up the social ladder. Today, except for a few coastal cities where finance or international trade dominate, cities are repositories for poor people. Those who can afford to move out have.
It's quite the opposite here, mainly thanks to gentrification and urban renewal. Some of our priciest real estate is in the city proper now. Sure, the ghettos on the south and west sides still remain, but the central city, and parts of the north and east sides have become very popular places to live with luxury apartments springing up weekly, new businesses and restaurants opening, and home values doubling in 10 years in these neighborhoods. Central location is becoming very appealing instead of having to commute
 
Old 04-20-2018, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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It's quite the opposite here, mainly thanks to gentrification and urban renewal. Some of our priciest real estate is in the city proper now. Sure, the ghettos on the south and west sides still remain, but the central city, and parts of the north and east sides have become very popular places to live with luxury apartments springing up weekly, new businesses and restaurants opening, and home values doubling in 10 years in these neighborhoods. Central location is becoming very appealing instead of having to commute
Same here in Charlotte area. Younger folks want to be able to walk around and not need a car to find entertainment.

Back in NYC the younger members of the family are looking at brownstones and condos. They have drivers licenses but only drive when being out of city or going out of city.
 
Old 04-20-2018, 07:05 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It's quite the opposite here, mainly thanks to gentrification and urban renewal.
Downtown Phoenix is a s-hole.

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