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Arizona has all of that. There is more school choice in Arizona than anywhere in the country and the schools are still among the worst in the country.
Exactly. Ducebag ran as the "school choice" candidate in 2014. He won resoundingly 53.35% to 41.55% over Fred Duvall with just over 4% going to various independents. That said, his fixes of the voucher system and school choice hasn't worked. I knew it wouldn't in 2014.
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Let's also not miss the rash of Charter Schools going belly up and with no notice just closing their doors in the last few months due to mismanagement and fraud...
Yeah, that ruins school choice. It becomes public versus private and private students receive public vouchers (I'll get to that later.) Arizona's problem is a lack of barriers to entry for charter schools. This means that any company can virtually start one up. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...?noredirect=on
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That is not much of an option for poor people who don't have cars to drive across town to the rich areas, don't have the clothes or the culture to fit in there and will not be accepted, have two or three jobs to make ends meet. It is just another conservative/libertarian pipe dream/deflection. Poor people, minorities are just as entitled to quality neighborhood schools as affluent white people are. Make THAT happen.
Exactly. I've seen too many studies about private school vouchers showing that private schools vouchers goes to those who don't need it, affluent kids. Effectively, it is a form of rich welfare.
and that's just one part of it, there are a lot challenges and variables that aren't accounted for in state testing (new students who don't speak English, students who are coming from a different educational environment, students moving to other schools, students who have never attended school and now they're starting off in your class, etc.. etc..), some of them, you can't make any accommodations for or plan for, and if testing time is right around the corner - you have to hope for the best. All of these are hurdles and that's not even getting into home life, culture etc..
So, what happens when you've got all these students that test badly? Do they count in your score? If yes, what happens? Do you get counseled because your class test scores are so low or, is your job threatened?
If a significant amount of classes score low due to the reasons you illustrate what happens to the school score, and, what happens then? Does the principal get threatened or?
So, what happens when you've got all these students that test badly? Do they count in your score? If yes, what happens? Do you get counseled because your class test scores are so low or, is your job threatened?
If a significant amount of classes score low due to the reasons you illustrate what happens to the school score, and, what happens then? Does the principal get threatened or?
Oh, they most certainly counted when I was teaching. There was no counseling at the teacher level, there were changes in educational strategies and methods but with that, no strategy or method could counter the hurdles I mentioned. At the admin level, there were reassignments and so on. Those only happened with schools that were failing across the board, which wasn’t very often.
I think it would count if it happened repeatedly. If say over two three years you had produced bad product, it is easier to see an issue than one year. For instance, Physics is tough as it involves algebra on top of scientific theory if not fact which makes it a harder subject. One year you may get more students who are as dumb as a bag of rocks with a few stars and the next you get the inverse. If year after year they test like a bag of rocks on the standardized tests (Which in many cases existed before NCLB was enacted) then you have a problem. But you also always have students who choke on tests. Me I remembered stuff so nine times out of 10, I was out the door by the end of the first hour of testing, even in math and English with essay writing...
They work 3/4 of the year, and get heavily taxpayer-subsidized health insurance and pensions. Yet, they still whine and complain.
Just bypass them. They're mostly ineffective anyway given what we know about NAEP results. Homeschool, or from a co-op and use the free public online schools available in most states if you wish.
They get paid extra to do that.
Imagine the general public getting paid above and beyond their regular salary to work in the summer.
No they don't anymore. Under the old contract they got great benefits. That's not the case anymore. Teachers are paid a yearly salary. They can choose to get paid for the months they work or have it spread out over the summer. Many teachers have to supplement their income with other jobs. All of them use their own money to pay for supplies for their classroom. Why do you think teachers are finally walking out. They are more than teachers. They are counselors and disciplinarians. They are the ones who teach disabled kids when no private school will. By all means home school your kids if you want.
No they don't anymore. Under the old contract they got great benefits. That's not the case anymore. Teachers are paid a yearly salary. They can choose to get paid for the months they work or have it spread out over the summer. Many teachers have to supplement their income with other jobs. All of them use their own money to pay for supplies for their classroom. Why do you think teachers are finally walking out. They are more than teachers. They are counselors and disciplinarians. They are the ones who teach disabled kids when no private school will. By all means home school your kids if you want.
To quote Jeff Jarrett from an A&A documentary on Pro-Wrestling, "For some people they don't need an explanation to understand, for others no explanation will ever do." That poster to which you replied to is obviously the latter. Teachers and support staff are obviously in the first part because they feel it. The politicians and that poster don't get it and will never get it so why even bother explaining it to them?
First West Virginia, then Nebraska, then Kentucky, and now Arizona teachers will strike. After several weeks of threats of a strike, wearing #RedForEd, walk-ins and a proposal for a raise by Gov. Ducey, Arizona Educators United announced that in one week, Arizona teachers will walk out looking for a pay raise for classroom teachers, gym, art and music teachers, and support staff (nurses, paraprofessionals, guidence counselors, etc.); new materials; facility upgrades and smaller class sizes.
Why do you believe Oklahoma's two week teacher walkout wasn't noteworthy to bring up. Is it because the Oklahoma Legislature had already raised teacher pay shortly before the walkout?
Why do you believe Oklahoma's two week teacher walkout wasn't noteworthy to bring up. Is it because the Oklahoma Legislature had already raised teacher pay shortly before the walkout?
It was one that happened and showed that having a raise on the table, isn't always good enough. Arizona teachers were in the same boat, though it didn't (and still hasn't) go(ne) to a vote.
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