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Old 04-20-2018, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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If these teachers were any good they'd be seeking top articipate in a private educational endeavor known as homeschooling; those who can't, or won't are just Left-leaning dead weight.
Homeschooling hasn't been definitively found to produce better students than public school. Now yes there are benefits of going at your own speed and having an individualized learning course that public education couldn't offer due to resource limitations, it isn't known if the performers were smart and homeschooled and had little effect or if homeschool itself made them smart. Also I don't see a demand in homeschool teachers at all. Mainly because it includes websites for online high schools too (depending on state views on what constitutes homeschooling.) I'm not trying to knock it, but there isn't concrete proof to the causation though there is some sort if correlation if you look at homeschool students SAT and ACT scores being somewhat higher than public school counterparts.
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Old 04-20-2018, 12:34 AM
 
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No union in play here.

No collective bargaining or union negotiation.

The core demand is increasing educational funding to 2008 levels, which ate currently about 20% off.

The proposed plan would require economic growth that even optimistic legislators are calling "rosy", cutting $8m from universities, cutting special needs funding, cutting health funding.

All that to get 9% this year

It is illegal to impose budget items on future legislatures. So they can't guarantee the 20 by 20, even if it did hit all the areas off concern - which it does not.

The people in AZ continue to vote for school funding, the state takes that funding source in and then cuts existing funding so nothing ever progresses.

AZ is a wasteland for education and getting worse over the past decade.

Currently 2000 - 3000 vacant teaching positions and the only answer has been to lower needed qualifications
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Yeah because they cannot keep teachers in the bad conditions of the classroom. Overworked and underpaid. Support staff it's just as bad. I've heard on the radio that schools don't even have nurses because of low balling brought about by race to the bottom wages. Something's gotta give and it is about damn time.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:03 AM
 
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It’s about time teachers in red states start walking out. Very proud of them. They are not just doing this for themselves but also for the students
lmao...Yeah walking out and leaving the students uneducated is really looking out for them
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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lmao...Yeah walking out and leaving the students uneducated is really looking out for them
So how do you propose the teachers get paid fairer wages and have better working conditions. Many are over worked due to fewer teachers and using their own money for supplies because school budgets cannot afford textbooks written in this millennia.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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If these teachers were any good they'd be seeking to participate in a successful private educational endeavor, or in homeschooling; those who can't, or won't are just Left-leaning dead weight.



Which, given the NEA's goal of indoctrination rather than education, makes perfect sense
No it is based on class size and specific needs of coursework. If you want STEM programs, you have to have STEM specialized teachers and if you can't get that, you cannot provide that service. You clearly just want to bash education. You're biased like many can say I am, but I know the truth from being in the trenches on the frontline. Schools cannot get teachers to stay because many cannot get paid enough to deal with large class sizes and out of date resources. My district is lucky, but most AZ districts aren't. That is a fact.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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First West Virginia, then Nebraska, then Kentucky, and now Arizona teachers will strike. After several weeks of threats of a strike, wearing #RedForEd, walk-ins and a proposal for a raise by Gov. Ducey, Arizona Educators United announced that in one week, Arizona teachers will walk out looking for a pay raise for classroom teachers, gym, art and music teachers, and support staff (nurses, paraprofessionals, guidence counselors, etc.); new materials; facility upgrades and smaller class sizes.

Arizona teachers vote for statewide walkout - ABC News
I don’t have a recollection of a recent strike in Nebraska. Do you mean Oklahoma?
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Old 04-20-2018, 09:07 AM
 
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lmao...Yeah walking out and leaving the students uneducated is really looking out for them
Slashing educating funding by 36.6% between 2008-2015 after previously underfunding school maintenance by over a billion dollars is looking out for students.

Being unable to fill 2000 - 3000 open positions and having the profession be a rotating door is looking out for them.

Providing outdated materials in unsafe settings is looking out for them.
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Old 04-20-2018, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I don’t have a recollection of a recent strike in Nebraska. Do you mean Oklahoma?
Yes my mistake.
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Old 04-20-2018, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Slashing educating funding by 36.6% between 2008-2015 after previously underfunding school maintenance by over a billion dollars is looking out for students.

Being unable to fill 2000 - 3000 open positions and having the profession be a rotating door is looking out for them.

Providing outdated materials in unsafe settings is looking out for them.
Sadly too many don't get this or want to and instead just say deal with it. Teachers dealt with it for too long with periods of frozen wages and 1% raises. Yeah that us looking out for students. The problem is for too long Arizona hasn't cared and so haven't tax payers. There are too many justifying getting entry level wages as a median income. 48K is what many make within five years, not 10/15 if they are lucky and get 1% every year for 10+ years.
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