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Old 04-22-2018, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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From my source:



And, you continue with your loony, provably false responses. Seriously, that is only a few paragraphs into my sources. Again, its mindboggling that you do not even pretend to back up what you're writing with any sort of legitimate evidence or source.





Again, you continue to make loony responses that not even the Hillary campaign is making (what sort of ridicuousness is that??). Even the Hillary campaign admits that classified information (as the FBI investigation concluded) was sent over the server. All they claim is that Hillary didn't knowingly send such classified information over the server. That, and they disagree with the classification level of certain things that were classified by other agencies.





The loonineshness of your responses continue to amaze me. Comey and the FBI (which is charged with investigating violations of federal law, if you must know ) did not "direct classification of SofS documents." There are readily available classification guides (yes, binding guides, btw) that are available to those in the Intel field that detail what kinds of information is classified vs. not classified. Here is just one example of such a classification guide: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/...4%20(Doc1).pdf

As an example, the classification guide listed above makes clear that "Detailed information regarding ODNI and IC fiscal
matters inclusive of budget, manpower, expenditures, funding, and appropriations data, to include related guidance, procedures, agreements, vulnerabilities, or disbursement techniques related to the National Intelligence Program (NIP), or the financial condition and resources of the IC as a whole" as classified as TOP SECRET.

Again, it would behoove you to stop spewing nonsense on a topic that you know little about and that you clearly don't want to take a little time to learn about. Damn!
I will say this. You are determined. Too bad you don't understand.

From the root EO

*********************************
(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:

(1) the President and the Vice President;
(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President; and
(3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph (c) of this section.
(b) Officials authorized to classify information at a specified level are also authorized to classify information at a lower level.
(c) Delegation of original classification authority.
********************************

So the source of all classification decision is the head of the department. In this case that would be the SofS. So it is simple and you should be able to understand. No other agency has the power to classify State Department Documents. "Information" of course what is covered. But it really has to be in some tangible form. And these documents all originated in the State Dept.

As I have said before there is a large hole in all this when information or derivatives of information that is classified by one agency make there way into documents in another agency. Now if the state dept publishers a document containing a picture from another agency the security classification carries over. But if the writer cites a finding ("You can see that....") It is likely a new work and classified by the writer's agency is it sees fit.

So again sorry but you are incorrect. These were state dept docs and classified as Clinton or delegate saw fit.
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Old 04-22-2018, 08:47 PM
 
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Clearly Comey knew he took something he wasn’t suppose to as Comey testified that he leaked the memo. If it was allowed then Comey would not have used the work “leaked”.
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Old 04-23-2018, 08:45 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If you, or I got caught doing 1/4 of the things these scumbags have been caught doing, we would have been put to death long ago, or at least be rotting in a prison cell.
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Old 04-23-2018, 08:53 AM
 
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huge coverup by Hillary and Comey unraveling... get out the popcorn.

on the lighter side:

Quote:
CNN asks Stormy Daniels how her sexual relationship compared to Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. Stormy answered, "It was close, but NO CIGAR."
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Old 04-23-2018, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Originally Posted by lvmensch View Post
I will say this. You are determined. Too bad you don't understand.

From the root EO

*********************************
(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:

(1) the President and the Vice President;
(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President; and
(3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph (c) of this section.
(b) Officials authorized to classify information at a specified level are also authorized to classify information at a lower level.
(c) Delegation of original classification authority.
********************************

So the source of all classification decision is the head of the department. In this case that would be the SofS. So it is simple and you should be able to understand. No other agency has the power to classify State Department Documents. "Information" of course what is covered. But it really has to be in some tangible form. And these documents all originated in the State Dept.

As I have said before there is a large hole in all this when information or derivatives of information that is classified by one agency make there way into documents in another agency. Now if the state dept publishers a document containing a picture from another agency the security classification carries over. But if the writer cites a finding ("You can see that....") It is likely a new work and classified by the writer's agency is it sees fit.

So again sorry but you are incorrect. These were state dept docs and classified as Clinton or delegate saw fit.

You post irrelevant information to the discussion at hand and outright falsehoods. Damn, this is getting tiring.

No one disputes that Hillary was an OCA as SOS. That's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, though, as there is a declassification process that was not followed; therefore, the documents that originated at State were not declassified. But, again, not even the Hillary campaign claims that the the no classified information was sent across the server. That you are doing so is plain ridiculous and flies in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Still, even assuming arguendo that what you wrote was correct, that wouldn't matter as not all of the classified information originated at State (and you have YET to provide any evidence to support your wacky claim to the contrary, while I have supplied multiple sources to back up my argument). For instance:

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From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-e-mail-system

Of note from the article:

And see this article for some insight into the discussion over whether documents should have been classified:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/u...ns-emails.html

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Some of the skirmishes over Mrs. Clinton’s emails reflect the disagreements in a post-9/11 era over what should be a government secret and what should not. Nonetheless, 22 emails on Mrs. Clinton’s server were held back from a tranche made public last week. Those 22 emails were deemed so highly secret that State Department officials in this case agreed with the intelligence agencies not to release them even in redacted form.
Clearly, Hillary didn't take steps to declassify anything and Director Comey acknowledged that the information was classified at the time Hillary sent; and they clearly remained classified as they weren't released by investigators (or by the State Department) as explained above.

Again, there was classified information from other agencies that was passed through Hillary's server. State has tried to argue that the agencies over-classified information, but that's neither here nor there as it wasn't State's call.

You try, but continue to fail in spreading falsehoods. Do show us that Crooked Hillary's campaign claims that she declassified information that was sent through her server!
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Old 04-23-2018, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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You post irrelevant information to the discussion at hand and outright falsehoods. Damn, this is getting tiring.

No one disputes that Hillary was an OCA as SOS. That's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, though, as there is a declassification process that was not followed; therefore, the documents that originated at State were not declassified. But, again, not even the Hillary campaign claims that the the no classified information was sent across the server. That you are doing so is plain ridiculous and flies in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Still, even assuming arguendo that what you wrote was correct, that wouldn't matter as not all of the classified information originated at State (and you have YET to provide any evidence to support your wacky claim to the contrary, while I have supplied multiple sources to back up my argument). For instance:



https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-e-mail-system

Of note from the article:

And see this article for some insight into the discussion over whether documents should have been classified:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/u...ns-emails.html



Clearly, Hillary didn't take steps to declassify anything and Director Comey acknowledged that the information was classified at the time Hillary sent; and they clearly remained classified as they weren't released by investigators (or by the State Department) as explained above.

Again, there was classified information from other agencies that was passed through Hillary's server. State has tried to argue that the agencies over-classified information, but that's neither here nor there as it wasn't State's call.

You try, but continue to fail in spreading falsehoods. Do show us that Crooked Hillary's campaign claims that she declassified information that was sent through her server!
You can continue to beat the dead horse but it is not going to get up.

What Clinton did was stupid. Really dumb. For that she can be held accountable.

But she is still the authority on classification of information in the State Dept.

The offense claimed is that the subjects were of their nature top secret. No one is alleging that any information was in fact transcribed or copied from s secure document that originated outside of the State Dept. So we apparently have some rule that some things are simply not to be talked about. Any such rule would require the assent of the head of the Dept of State to be true within the state dept. that assent obviously did not exist.
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Old 04-23-2018, 07:31 PM
 
Location: United States
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You can continue to beat the dead horse but it is not going to get up.

What Clinton did was stupid. Really dumb. For that she can be held accountable.

But she is still the authority on classification of information in the State Dept.

The offense claimed is that the subjects were of their nature top secret. No one is alleging that any information was in fact transcribed or copied from s secure document that originated outside of the State Dept. So we apparently have some rule that some things are simply not to be talked about. Any such rule would require the assent of the head of the Dept of State to be true within the state dept. that assent obviously did not exist.
Provide a link to verifiable evidence that every piece of information in all of Hillary's emails originated from the State Department.

I want absolute, and verifiable proof, from the agencies that reviewed Hillary's emails, that every single piece of information contained in all of the emails originated from, and was owned by the State Department.
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Old 04-23-2018, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Provide a link to verifiable evidence that every piece of information in all of Hillary's emails originated from the State Department.

I want absolute, and verifiable proof, from the agencies that reviewed Hillary's emails, that every single piece of information contained in all of the emails originated from, and was owned by the State Department.
Provide proof that they did not. Actually I believe some of the ones highly classified came from outside the government.
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Old 04-23-2018, 07:49 PM
 
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It looks like Comey is now under IG investigation for releasing classified information in his memos.

It's interesting that even Comey himself in his memos says this information is classified, but he releases to the public. It looks like they are trying the Hillary defense, they weren't classified at the time.

This WSJ article is full of spin, but they are reporting this.


WASHINGTON—At least two of the memos that former FBI Director James Comey gave to a friend outside of the government contained information that officials now consider classified, according to people familiar with the matter, prompting a review by the Justice Department’s internal watchdog.

The Justice Department inspector general is now conducting an investigation into classification issues related to the Comey memos, according to a person familiar with the matter.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice...43505?mod=e2tw
Officials now consider it classified. It wasn't classified initially. There's a difference.
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Old 04-23-2018, 08:45 PM
 
Location: United States
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Provide proof that they did not. Actually I believe some of the ones highly classified came from outside the government.
So you've been running your mouth for the last two years making a claim completely contrary to all the evidence, and when called on it, you can't provide any evidence to back your claim.

That's what I thought.

Your butt can't cash the check your mouth has been writing for the last two years.

We're done here.
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