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"which currently forbids the use of federal funds for abortions except in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest,"
Federal law "forbids" a LOT of things but, people STILL do them.
"Making contraception more difficult to get,"
EVERY drug storein America sells them.
Many schools give them out for free.
Next excuse.
If PP broke the law they would be shut down. That is why they do not use Federal funds to pay for abortions.
You cannot buy the most effective contraceptives over the counter.
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No one has argued for closing the 10,000+ Public Health Department Family Planning Clinics.
PP is redundant, and should not be publicly funded, as they locate in areas that already have Public Health Department Family Planning Clinics.
Why should taxpayers pay to support redundant facilities?
Who are you to determine that PP is redundant? If it were, there would be no one using it. PP can bill Medicaid only for non-abortion services. Should a private doctor that provides abortion services be forbidden to bill Medicaid for Pap smears?
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If PP actually did a good job with promoting the use of contraception and ensuring that women understand how to use it, there would be no market for abortions. They are failing on the BC front. Anyone can see that. /shrug/
According to the Guttmacher Institute less than 2% of all abortions are because of rape and incest.
According to a Forbes article, the gov't -- both federal and state -- pay for 24% off ALL abortions. Look it up.
And, chances of becoming pregnant using 2 forms of BC correctly is almost ZERO.
States are required to pay for abortions for rape, incest, or danger to the pregnant woman's physical health. Some may also use state funds; none do so for purely elective abortions. Look it up.
Half the women who seek abortions were using contraceptives. You keep ignoring that annoying fact.
Even sterilizations can fail.
Most couples do not use two forms of contraception, and it is unrealistic to expect them to do so.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Medicaid, in 17 states, pays for abortions. For many state taxpayers, that's a direct and forced violation of their First Amendment Rights.
"Medically indicated" abortions.
What's the First Amendment got to do with it, other than you cannot impose your religious beliefs on someone who does not share them with regard to abortion?
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She is entitled to her opinion and of course she has to worry about profit and loss in the abortion biz. Selling fetus tissues I'm sure is very profitable. The more they murder and of course the more federal subsidies the better like any business.
But remember, she has no soul, no feelings. She is an empty vessel with no chance at heaven.
PP never sold fetal tissue. They charged a reasonable fee to collect the tissue and preserve it in order to ship it to the company that would use it. There was no net profit.
Your last statement just goes to show how you wish to impose your religious beliefs on those who do not share them.
Anyone who thinks Ivanka and hubby are truly anti-abortion is a fool. It was a bribe, it was politics.
You do not have to be pro-life to think abortions should be few and far between, whether you are a man or woman.
In theory, even taking the religious aspect out, abortion should be based on very limited criteria, not as a form of birth control.
The public funding of Planned Parenthood is certainly something that should not be occurring. For those who say PP does XYZ besides abortions fine. Then they should start a completely separate company where funds are not, and cannot be intermingled.
Otherwise giving PP hundreds of millions of dollars is direct funding of abortions at taxpayer expense. Even Democrats were not that radical in their platform just 20 years ago.
States are required to pay for abortions for rape, incest, or danger to the pregnant woman's physical health. Some may also use state funds; none do so for purely elective abortions.
Yes, they do.
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"Medically indicated" abortions.
How so? Wouldn't those fall under the Hyde Amendment Exceptions? So why are additional abortions paid for with state taxpayer funds necessary?
Medicaid, in 17 states, pays for abortions. For many state taxpayers, that's a direct and forced violation of their First Amendment Rights.
There you go again ... You keep leaving out the "medically necessary" part -- to which you yourself provided the link.
And the First Amendment? That is irrelevant.
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You do not have to be pro-life to think abortions should be few and far between, whether you are a man or woman.
Oh, I agree abortion should be a last resort. But that's not your or my decision to make for anyone but ourselves. And that doesn't mean it should be illegal or even difficult to get.
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Then they should start a completely separate company where funds are not, and cannot be intermingled
Apparently you're unaware of the rigors of independent and federal audits. Funds already cannot be intermingled.
PP never sold fetal tissue. They charged a reasonable fee to collect the tissue and preserve it in order to ship it to the company that would use it. There was no net profit.
If there was no profit, they would not waste resources bothering with it. They profit. Open your eyes and see the world for what it is not what you are paid to see.
If there was no profit, they would not waste resources bothering with it. They profit. Open your eyes and see the world for what it is not what you are paid to see.
Since the Right always accuses the Left of what they themselves are guilty of, thanks for the confirmation that the Trumplings here are paid posters!!
If there was no profit, they would not waste resources bothering with it. They profit. Open your eyes and see the world for what it is not what you are paid to see.
It's revenue neutral. Therefore they do not "waste resources."
The really wasteful thing to do would be to discard the tissue when it could be used for research with wide ranging potential benefits.
Why do you feel the need to continue to accuse me of being paid to post here on CD? It just makes you look desperate and unable to debate the issue on its merits.
I do not now and have never worked for Planned Parenthood.
That's a Federal Public Health Department Family Planning Clinic locator. There are 10,000+ Public Health Department Family Planning Clinics, located throughout the nation. There are only 700 PPs, located in metro areas where the public clinics already exist. PP is redundant and unnecessary.
Then why are 7 public health department FP clinics located within 50 miles of where I live, and not one single PP?
A locator is not a study any more than google maps. People living at the poverty level can’t travel 20 miles easily but you are ready to pull the plug on viable clinics. So tell me is this a cost issue or good old ideology. There has been bipartisan support for thes clinics since the 1970’s but now we need to shut them down.
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