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Old 04-24-2018, 06:44 PM
 
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It's unfortunate that so many aspects of government have the conflict of trying to supervise a part of American life, yet at the same time assure us that everything is excellent, the best of all possible worlds.



The United States is a sore-thumb outlier among 11 wealthy nations in medical spending. We spend 18 percent of our G.D.P. on health care, while Australia, Canada, Denmark and Japan seem to make do with about half that amount. Yet life expectancy in the United States is the lowest in the group, and infant mortality is the highest. Our out-of-control prices have a stifling effect on the economy. Companies that pay a portion of health insurance for their workers may find themselves burdened by cost. (“General Motors,” the quip runs, “is a health-insurance business that also happens to make cars.”) Why are we spending astronomically more for health care that performs worse, on aggregate, than care in most other comparable nations?

Siddhartha Mukherjee
New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/03/m...a-fortune.html
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Old 04-24-2018, 06:51 PM
 
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as usual the author is confusing health CARE with health INSURANCE. they are two different things.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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The article is behind a paywall for me. However, I'm not sure that spending money on health care is a bad thing. The NHS workers in the UK are getting their first raise in 7 years. https://www.theguardian.com/society/...lthcare-unions
Many nurses have left the employ of the NHS and there is a severe nursing shortage in the UK.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...r-nhs-11118667
It would be very helpful to get the price of drugs down.

Life expectancy in the US is 0.2 yr lower than the OCED average, IOW, less than 3 months. How life expectancy is calculated makes a difference too; it is really hard to compare countries. Ditto for infant mortality. Many countries do not consider a child a "live birth" unless s/he weighs above a certain weight and/or is more than a certain gestational age, while the US and some other countries use the WHO definition which is: "the complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of a product of conception, irrespective of the duration of pregnancy, which, after such separation, breathes or shows any other evidence of life, such as beating of the heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or any definite movement of voluntary muscles, whether or not the umbilical cord has been cut or the placenta is attached." Of course, access is an issue for infant mortality, but the US' rate is going down, thankfully.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2102rank.html
https://www.gfmer.ch/Medical_educati...definition.htm
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2091rank.html
https://www.bmj.com/content/344/bmj.e746
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Houston
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My health care is excellent.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:47 PM
 
Location: USA
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The article is behind a paywall for me. However, I'm not sure that spending money on health care is a bad thing. The NHS workers in the UK are getting their first raise in 7 years. https://www.theguardian.com/society/...lthcare-unions
Many nurses have left the employ of the NHS and there is a severe nursing shortage in the UK.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...r-nhs-11118667
It would be very helpful to get the price of drugs down.

Life expectancy in the US is 0.2 yr lower than the OCED average, IOW, less than 3 months. How life expectancy is calculated makes a difference too; it is really hard to compare countries. Ditto for infant mortality. Many countries do not consider a child a "live birth" unless s/he weighs above a certain weight and/or is more than a certain gestational age, while the US and some other countries use the WHO definition which is: "the complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of a product of conception, irrespective of the duration of pregnancy, which, after such separation, breathes or shows any other evidence of life, such as beating of the heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or any definite movement of voluntary muscles, whether or not the umbilical cord has been cut or the placenta is attached." Of course, access is an issue for infant mortality, but the US' rate is going down, thankfully.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2102rank.html
https://www.gfmer.ch/Medical_educati...definition.htm
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2091rank.html
https://www.bmj.com/content/344/bmj.e746

Great links ^^ Apparently CZECHIA is a much better place to live in the US with a much lower Infant mortality rate

I'm sure are typical Leftist here will claim how much better things are in Cuba


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My health care is excellent.
Mine is pretty good but it could be a lot less expensive, which is the real problem in the US.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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My health care is excellent.
As long as yours is excellent.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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My health care is excellent.
I'm not sure anybody has "excellent" health care. Any socialized good/service is going to be lacking somewhere down the line.

If you have put your care through its paces and it was "excellent" I'd say that's a rarity.
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:01 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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As long as yours is excellent.
That poster should be concerned with their own. It isn't theirs or mine or anyone else's responsibility to make sure that you have great health care. Mine was outstanding, but expensive. I retired and moved to a country where I could have great health care for a reasonable price. Great standard of living for a reasonable price.
and in 7 years when I turn 62 I fully intend to collect my $2100 a month SS as well.
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Originally Posted by boneyard1962 View Post
That poster should be concerned with their own. It isn't theirs or mine or anyone else's responsibility to make sure that you have great health care. Mine was outstanding, but expensive. I retired and moved to a country where I could have great health care for a reasonable price. Great standard of living for a reasonable price.
and in 7 years when I turn 62 I fully intend to collect my $2100 a month SS as well.
How long have you been retired? You might not receive that much in SS, the amount does depend on years actually worked.
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Old 04-24-2018, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I'm not sure anybody has "excellent" health care. Any socialized good/service is going to be lacking somewhere down the line.

If you have put your care through its paces and it was "excellent" I'd say that's a rarity.
BCBS has fished out 400k for my wife’s medical care in the last 10 months. She is currently getting rehab outpatient at the second ranked brain injury rehabilitation group in the nation.
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