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Old 04-25-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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She’s equally fluent in English and Spanish. Her mom is black from Trinidad, and her father is Dominican.

You’re right...BILLIONS.

Jews built the music business in this country. There’s no shame in that.

They dominate the music biz side til this day. That’s the simple truth.


I’ve never really heard any anti Semitism in hip hop. I have heard some high stereotyping, but the Jews in the industry appear to be eating it up. They’re certainly enjoying the profits.
Many people "take" stereotyping of Jews to be anti-semitism. I agree with you, Jews are heavily stereotyped in hip hop but hell, IMO so are black people. The stereotyping of blacks in hip hop is worse than any I've ever heard of Jews in particular (or any other group of people) but no one cares about that since they like to see black people caricatured or shown in a particular negative image, which is why most of the positive hip hop is not well known.

Cardi herself is somewhat of a stereotype and interestingly she is not even black/African American (she's a "black Hispanic") but people act like she reflects black/African American women.
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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At the very least, a stereotype, but this isn't the first time. Michael Jackson, Jay-Z, have written similar sentiments in songs.

Michael Jackson is probably the only white guy who could get away with making a stereotype like this without all hell breaking loose.
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Jackson used the line "Jew me" in ", They Don't Care About Us" which was about oppression. The song included even skinheads as a lyrics. Jay-Z, I'll agree with but not Jacko.

You'll agree/disagree with what? I said it's a stereotype and both Jackson and Jay-Z have had such lyrics.
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:35 PM
 
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A star is someone with name recognition. I don't think Cardi B quite qualifies. If you went on the street and asked 20 people of different socioeconomic groups who Card B is, I'm willing to bet that a majority of them would have no clue.
You would lose that bet unless you only asked elderly white people. Her albums go platinum, her songs are routinely at the top of the charts. Even this middle aged white person knows who she is. If someone doesnt know Cardi B, I have to assume they are old, white and too busy listening to country acts with two first names or outdated dad rock like nugent.
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:37 PM
 
Location: North America
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Who?
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Who?
Cardi B, the Female Rapper Who Ousted Taylor Swift from the Top of the Charts
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cu...s-bodak-yellow
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I'm older than dirt and even I know who Cardi B is. How do people not know these things?


And is google broke?
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:40 PM
 
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A star is someone with name recognition. I don't think Cardi B quite qualifies. If you went on the street and asked 20 people of different socioeconomic groups who Card B is, I'm willing to bet that a majority of them would have no clue.
She does have name recognition. I'm nearly 40 years old and don't hardly ever watch TV and have never watched the reality show she used to be on. But I know she was on that show (one of the hip hop or basketball shows) and I know she is a rapper.

She had the top single last year in the music charts.

She has been on all the TV shows even on morning shows they talk about her a lot on Today, GMA, CBS This Morning, etc.

If you asked 20 people of different socioeconomic groups who she is I bet 18 out of 20 would know who she is.

My mom and even my 86 year old grandfather knows who she is - granddad because he watches cable news 24/7 - she has been talked about on cable news channels before.
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I'm older than dirt and even I know who Cardi B is. How do people not know these things?


And is google broke?
I'm somewhere between dirt and MPowering1 and I've heard of Cardi B. as well.
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:53 PM
 
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Many people "take" stereotyping of Jews to be anti-semitism. I agree with you, Jews are heavily stereotyped in hip hop but hell, IMO so are black people. The stereotyping of blacks in hip hop is worse than any I've ever heard of Jews in particular (or any other group of people) but no one cares about that since they like to see black people caricatured or shown in a particular negative image, which is why most of the positive hip hop is not well known.

Cardi herself is somewhat of a stereotype and interestingly she is not even black/African American (she's a "black Hispanic") but people act like she reflects black/African American women.
1) Same race stereotyping has never been viewed as racist.

Kinda the same prinicipal of how a black guy may call another black guy the n-word but that doesn't make it ok for a jewish guy to do it.

2) Your second point that the positive hip hop is not well known because people like to see black people caricatured? Yeah, I'm going to call *say what???!!!* on that one. I'm literally sitting here picturing some old white racist couple in their barco loungers listening to hip hop and saying, I really like this genre because they call black people the n-word...but we don't like to listen to that popular hip-hop causin' it might make the n------- uppity. See some dude driving his old truck with the gun rack and confederate flag with the base popping out some hardcore hip hop. (I'm chuckling as I picture this fantastical occurrence)

3) Who gives a flapjack what Cardi-B's racial make-up is. You're not going to start calling her out for cultural appropriation like has happened to Bruno Mars are you?
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Old 04-25-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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1) Same race stereotyping has never been viewed as racist.

Kinda the same prinicipal of how a black guy may call another black guy the n-word but that doesn't make it ok for a jewish guy to do it.

2) Your second point that the positive hip hop is not well known because people like to see black people caricatured? Yeah, I'm going to call *say what???!!!* on that one. I'm literally sitting here picturing some old white racist couple in their barco loungers listening to hip hop and saying, I really like this genre because they call black people the n-word...but we don't like to listen to that popular hip-hop causin' it might make the n------- uppity. See some dude driving his old truck with the gun rack and confederate flag with the base popping out some hardcore hip hop. (I'm chuckling as I picture this fantastical occurrence)

3) Who gives a flapjack what Cardi-B's racial make-up is. You're not going to start calling her out for cultural appropriation like has happened to Bruno Mars are you?
On 3 I don't believe in the concept of "cultural appropriation" to any wide degree as I believe we all appropriate each other's cultures in one way or another and it's a dumb thing to get upset about.

For Cardi B all I mean is that she is basically "hood" stereotype and because she "looks black" people often insinuate that all black women act like she acts or have a similar experience to her. I think you can "get" what I'm talking about here.

In regards to people not knowing more positive hip hop songs/artists, I'm speaking of the general population and not people who actually know about hip hop. These sorts of people (and even some hip hop fans themselves) buy into stereotypes of black people that are portrayed in the "pop" hip hop songs - like Cardi B's songs.

They think that stuff in the popular rap songs are portraying "black culture" when they are not and it places us into a negative caricature for the general public and to the world at large in many ways. Many older black people in particular don't like the influence that hip hop has had on the image of being black in America. I tell them that, hell, people have never had an overly positive view of black people and their response to me is that today, often even black people have a negative view of ourselves due to the influence of negative, pervasive stereotypes and images as shown in popular hip hop music - which is very rarely a postive song/artist and on that I agree.

I think because I see so many negative comments from black people about "black people" as a whole that are based on stereotypes and hip hop lyrics it is easier for me to understand it from this perspective. But in general, I'm a hip hop fan an "old head" and I keep up with the trends and music. Humorously, my spouse got involved with a group of black activist who are seeking to diminish the negative stereotypes of black people in the music and he wanted to ban rap from our house and I told him I only listen to music at the gym and he could ban it from our son if he wanted to but it would be good to at first listen to what our son listens to in order to see if it is bad or not. He has done that and ironically started to like Cardi B lol. He also uses some of her songs to work out with now but doesn't allow her to be played by our son.
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