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Old 04-25-2018, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I'm somewhere between dirt and MPowering1 and I've heard of Cardi B. as well.

Wouldn't that make you older than me, but younger than dirt? You're going in the wrong direction.


I know I look younger than you, but hey...I need to be honest about this.
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Old 04-25-2018, 03:49 PM
 
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They think that stuff in the popular rap songs are portraying "black culture" when they are not and it places us into a negative caricature for the general public and to the world at large in many ways. Many older black people in particular don't like the influence that hip hop has had on the image of being black in America. I tell them that, hell, people have never had an overly positive view of black people and their response to me is that today, often even black people have a negative view of ourselves due to the influence of negative, pervasive stereotypes and images as shown in popular hip hop music - which is very rarely a postive song/artist and on that I agree.
I always find it weird that white people will use the stereotypes, tropes and false personas created by black artists to sell rap and hip hop music to project that behavior onto an entire race of people.

However, they never once insinuate that every rural, white country music fan is cruising the streets armed with a case of Natural Light searching for the next woman from the trailer park that they can date rape on a deserted dirt road in the back of their pickup.

Do white people believe that Taylor Swift is just an average, adorkable, "girl next door" that has major relationship issues like she is portrayed in her songs and videos?
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Old 04-25-2018, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Wouldn't that make you older than me, but younger than dirt? You're going in the wrong direction.


I know I look younger than you, but hey...I need to be honest about this.
I was told there would be no math.

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Old 04-25-2018, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I was told there would be no math.


Oh, there's math. But not to worry because we're not counting your grade because....well....you know.
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Old 04-25-2018, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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Cardi b, to jay z to even our president Donald j trump all use Jewish lawyers. Welcome to New York.
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Old 04-25-2018, 06:58 PM
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Location: Jacksonville, FL
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You would lose that bet unless you only asked elderly white people. Her albums go platinum, her songs are routinely at the top of the charts. Even this middle aged white person knows who she is. If someone doesnt know Cardi B, I have to assume they are old, white and too busy listening to country acts with two first names or outdated dad rock like nugent.
I asked 11 people today if they knew who Cardi B was, they ranged in age from 13 to 35ish and were ethnically diverse. Four of them were able to say yes. If y'all say she's famous I'll take your word for it, but I don't think she's as famous as you claim.
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Old 04-25-2018, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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You'll agree/disagree with what? I said it's a stereotype and both Jackson and Jay-Z have had such lyrics.
I explained the Jackson song was about oppression. I can't explain the Jay Z songs. As I stated it also included the word skinhead. I don't take it as antisemitism at all in "They Don't Care About Us."
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Old 04-25-2018, 07:45 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I explained the Jackson song was about oppression. I can't explain the Jay Z songs. As I stated it also included the word skinhead. I don't take it as antisemitism at all in "They Don't Care About Us."
“Jew me” is a pretty antisemitic statement, no matter how you dress it up.

I found it offensive when I first heard it, but since it was Michael Jackson who said it, it didnt bother me too much.

I mean, who really cares about the opinion of a pedophile, anyway?
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Old 04-25-2018, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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I asked 11 people today if they knew who Cardi B was, they ranged in age from 13 to 35ish and were ethnically diverse. Four of them were able to say yes. If y'all say she's famous I'll take your word for it, but I don't think she's as famous as you claim.
I would say 50%+ of everyone under the age of 30 they will know who she is. Not sure about the older people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v_rtaye2yY

She's only featured on this one but this has 250 million views.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEGccV-NOm8

Her hit song has half a billion views in less than a year, and I doubt if 70%+ or more of American children from age 11-18 haven't seen it. Older people it's more iffy but most people under 30 have heard this song. I'm a nerdy guy, and even tons of my friends have seen it, I only know a few people who simply aren't into music in the slightest who haven't seen it.
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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“Jew me” is a pretty antisemitic statement, no matter how you dress it up.

I found it offensive when I first heard it, but since it was Michael Jackson who said it, it didnt bother me too much.

I mean, who really cares about the opinion of a pedophile, anyway?
So a song about oppression can't have racial epitaphs in them? I think the thing is musicians use them to encourage people not to say them but often it is turned into something else by the listener because not two listeners to a song are the same. Jackson would apologize and even remove "Jew me" and "**** me" in later pressings to repeatedly "Sue me" and "Kick me" respectively.

As for Cardi B, I think she made a genuine statement but never got chastised for it in the past and because Jew is normalized to an extent like the n-word to African Americans, so it makes it seem like it isn't a problem when it us. I'll await her apology.
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