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You see, you complicate simple facts to make it sound unbelievable. A worker cannot be bound to give their labor to someone else for NO period of time.
The moment they don’t want to give control over the input to someone else is the moment they are free. No binding contracts that give power to an external individual.
You see, you complicate simple facts to make it sound unbelievable. A worker cannot be bound to give their labor to someone else for NO period of time.
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an what do you call Marxism... where YOU the individual worker are bound to a commune where they OWN your labor
You see, you complicate simple facts to make it sound unbelievable. A worker cannot be bound to give their labor to someone else for NO period of time.
The moment they don’t want to give control over the input to someone else is the moment they are free. No binding contracts that give power to an external individual.
So at any point in time I can simply quit?
What happens when I'm in a job where quitting on the spot would endanger the lives of others?
You see, you complicate simple facts to make it sound unbelievable. A worker cannot be bound to give their labor to someone else for NO period of time.
The moment they don’t want to give control over the input to someone else is the moment they are free. No binding contracts that give power to an external individual.
But they can if they want to - once an external force tries to prevent an individual negotiating an agreed upon contract with another individual or organisation, then it's oppression.
There are no monopolies under capitalism unless no one outside of a lone individual chooses to produce a singular product/service
OR
We are down to the last physical resource that the earth has produced (the last banana, the last piece of coal, etc).
As stated numerous times before your problem is with nature/existence. You'll have to take that up with God, a sacred rock, Superman, or whatever/whoever you worship. That is your cross alone to bear.
That's the whole problem with things like the wage slavery or starvation complaint, or even the focus on privilege. People want to forcefully "fix" (key word: forcefully) things that are no one else's fault - the fact that we're all born into different situations, with different abilities and talents, and the fact that nothing is produced unless someone puts in the energy to produce it or make it useable. It doesn't just exist and then you get to distribute it out.
Every being to ever exist has been and will be born into that reality. You always say that poverty is the default setting, but it seems like most people take everything they have for granted. It really is the mentality of a child, where your parents are expected to provide and care for you. Your need determines what you deserve.
So what it boils down to is penalizing people for things that aren't their fault.
[quote=No_Recess;51942612]So at any point in time I can simply quit?
What happens when I'm in a job where quitting on the spot would endanger the lives of others?[/
Production is based on labor (needs). If a product (need) is low (for an individual), more will work there so it is provided to the community.
Production is not competition needed to survive day by day. Union workers tend to stay in a job as it is there own country. If production is stopped for a time it only requires the will of the people to start production again.
Unions don’t produce goods that are not base needs, the community works for themselves, if they have a need, they will work to fulfill it, this is not a reward based system, output itself is the reward.
Communities are self sufficient if the production is based off their needs. If something is low, people will work to provide for themselves using the production center (union).
Workers vote on there own production regulations (safety). If they need a certain position to stay to those safety standards they will either vote to change the safety standards or stop production until that position is filled. If the community is in need of that product they will help the union (join) fill that position.
That's the whole problem with things like the wage slavery or starvation complaint, or even the focus on privilege. People want to forcefully "fix" (key word: forcefully) things that are no one else's fault - the fact that we're all born into different situations, with different abilities and talents, and the fact that nothing is produced unless someone puts in the energy to produce it or make it useable. It doesn't just exist and then you get to distribute it out.
Every being to ever exist has been and will be born into that reality. You always say that poverty is the default setting, but it seems like most people take everything they have for granted. It really is the mentality of a child, where your parents are expected to provide and care for you. Your need determines what you deserve.
So what it boils down to is penalizing people for things that aren't their fault.
I think you are on to something here. Fundamentally conservatives believe that society while imperfect must never be changed unless absolutely necessary. Progressives or lefties see an injustice and try to fix it. If we just listened to conservatives society would never change for the better it would just exist to perpetuate the dominance of the wealthy.
I think you are on to something here. Fundamentally conservatives believe that society while imperfect must never be changed unless absolutely necessary. Progressives or lefties see an injustice and try to fix it. If we just listened to conservatives society would never change for the better it would just exist to perpetuate the dominance of the wealthy.
eh...not quite
for example...
marx saw the capitalism of the mid 1800's as bad....what he didn't foresee is that capitalism has changed/evolved many times in the last 150 years
conservatives look to change LOGICALLY..... progressives look to change illogically with knee jerk reactions (never looking at the 4th or 5th level effects)
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