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Old 05-03-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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I remember about 50 years ago, seeing a poster of the Marx Brothers in a dorm room;

Groucho, Harpo, Chico, Gummo, Zeppo.........and Karl.
I guarantee if you told college students, Progressives and Millennials that the above were all brothers, they'd believe it!
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You can agree with someone else to act their slave and work for them but you can never have that legally written down in contract.

In a union it would be like buying a vote.
What judicial system are people living under in you scenario?

Legal? What does that mean?
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Doesn't matter. Your system requires that a man living alone away from the syndicate use his labor to stave off said entity if they deem it necessary to utilize his tools in his absence.

And then you want to require him to know where the next factory town over is located too. Hell, you require him to know the existence of the syndicate and their political functioning features.

Slavery of the body and mind...just like a lot of Marxist ideologues propagated as they ravaged the world last century.
There is no system as you described, only universal laws. Any person, no matter where they live, has no right to hold a monopoly on tools used for production.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yah, that'll work. A bunch of visionless labor making command-level decisions. Right..., sure, no problem!!!!


You've obviously never run a business or other organization, or you would know that it takes special people to see broadly and deeply, to be able to read the tea leaves, develop a long term plan and short term tactics to accomplish the organization's mission. Labor, OTOH, just has to do what they are told.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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What judicial system are people living under in you scenario?

Legal? What does that mean?
There are no legal contracts in syndicalism.

But I believe ancaps believe in legal contracts? Am I wrong?
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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There is no system as you described, only universal laws. Any person, no matter where they live, has no right to hold a monopoly on tools used for production.
You don't get to decide what is and what isn't a tool.

We went over this last time. You use a hammer to pound nails. I have sex with it. Bob prays to it. Tom is building a hammer couch because he loves the way it feels when he sits on one.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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There are no legal contracts in syndicalism.

But I believe ancaps believe in legal contracts? Am I wrong?
Yes, we do.

But you said that slavery could never legally be written into contract. I'm confused. Where is this law you speak of coming from and how did it get here?
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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So if someone supports Marxism they're a troll.

It's capitalism or nothing.
Marxism is like the troll charging you to cross the bridge that you don't even use.... all for the commune
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Workers

See that "s" on the end? That means power is centralized by committee. It can be a committee of 2 or a committee of 7 billion but it's still a committee.
Each worker has control over their own labor.

If you work with others then you share the management of whatever you are producing.

The syndicates only exist to represent the union (business) in the wider community. If you don't want to be part of a union you don't have to, but you can't monopolize use of tools to extend your production beyond your own abilities.

Input=output.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:02 PM
 
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
Obviously, nor any idea what you are saying, either.
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