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Old 05-06-2018, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Not trolling.

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm trolling
You are suggesting that involuntary centralized authorities monitor seratonin levels in the brain so the "best high" will only be produced for public consumption.

It's not only psychotic...it's creepy.
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Old 05-06-2018, 09:07 AM
 
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What's wrong with Rothbard's plan for unwanted children? You do realize that since there is no State parents can draw up any contract they wish to make sure the welfare of the child is sound throughout the formative years?

The dentist down the street can draw up a contract saying he will only see patients that agree to tenets that have the child's well-being in mind.

Of course it won't be perfect. Abuses occur because humans are flawed.

But it's better than going around at gunpoint forcing every actor to do certain things especially when we get p*ss poor results.

Have any exposure to the foster care system? Ever deal with your local Children's Services?

Whoa!

I'd rather a child get treated like a stray dog than go thru that statist machinery.
My dear Mr. No_Recess, you are most def (yet again) selling yourself short.

Mr. Rothbard's so-called (by you) "plan for unwanted children" is based on the false premise that people are property. & that to prop up his ideology.
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Old 05-06-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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If you want to give the output of your labor to someone, that is fine. Being as their would be no binding agreement to the other persons ownership of that output the two of you would have to decide who much of it should be given each time it is produced.

You cannot on the other hand own the input of a worker.
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Different rates of pay are the way of deciding who gets what -I don't want equal share if my imput is less important.

So a if person can't sell their labour, they aren't really in control of their own body then -their body and mind belong to "the collective"
As per Mr. Einstein's article Why Socialism?:

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...For the sake of simplicity, in the discussion that follows I shall call “workers” all those who do not share in the ownership of the means of production—although this does not quite correspond to the customary use of the term. The owner of the means of production is in a position to purchase the labor power of the worker. By using the means of production, the worker produces new goods which become the property of the capitalist. The essential point about this process is the relation between what the worker produces and what he is paid, both measured in terms of real value. Insofar as the labor contract is “free,” what the worker receives is determined not by the real value of the goods he produces, but by his minimum needs and by the capitalists’ requirements for labor power in relation to the number of workers competing for jobs. It is important to understand that even in theory the payment of the worker is not determined by the value of his product. ...
https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
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Old 05-06-2018, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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My dear Mr. No_Recess, you are most def (yet again) selling yourself short.

Mr. Rothbard's so-called (by you) "plan for unwanted children" is based on the false premise that people are property. & that to prop up his ideology.
No it doesn't.

You are merely paying for the privilege of caring for a child if the child does indeed stick around to be cared for.

That child can leave at any time. You can give the child away as well if you'd like.
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Old 05-06-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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Marx: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”.

People produce what they need and what they want in excess.
Where do you think Mr. Marx got that idea?

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The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities.”

― Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations
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Old 05-06-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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That weirdo Henry Makow, mentionned then Karl Marx was Rothschild's third cousin. https://web.archive.org/web/20180506...Cousin%20.html

And he isn't the only one. Another guy thought of the same thing. I wonder if Snopes will debunk this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fh5aA-77MY
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Old 05-06-2018, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You are suggesting that involuntary centralized authorities monitor seratonin levels in the brain so the "best high" will only be produced for public consumption.

It's not only psychotic...it's creepy.
How the heck did you get that from what I was saying. Where did I even remotely suggest anything similar to that.

I said it is up to the individual to find emotional meaning in their life. I personally said companionship>drugs.

That is my OPINION, I’m not forcing that on anyone else. Wtf are you talking about??
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Old 05-06-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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On the bold: Now you're learning. Good for you.

That wasn't capitalism because of the very thing you quoted: the resources were handed over to a State.

Statism and capitalism can't coexist.

Since a State does not follow the NAP it automatically excludes capitalism from existing when just one State is in existence.

Whether it's King Winterfall's syndicate State stealing a solitary man's water or the Soviets trying to plunder poppy from the Afghans you can see the pattern of violence that disrupts the ability of free people to exchange goods and services free from duress.

Once every 3 or 4 posts you either completely contradict yourself or accidentally admit your system sucks. It's been a pleasure to watch.
I said multinationals. You can claim there would be no multinationals in your system so we can just replace that term with companies.

The company with the most wealth (from excess power) can and will use their unequal power to buy the means of production and thereby control the economy of that area.

That’s what happened in Libya and elsewhere, there were no local companies with nearly the same amount of power so one was able to dominate over the other.
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Old 05-06-2018, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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How the heck did you get that from what I was saying. Where did I even remotely suggest anything similar to that.

I said it is up to the individual to find emotional meaning in their life. I personally said companionship>drugs.

That is my OPINION, I’m not forcing that on anyone else. Wtf are you talking about??
Now you change your tune.
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Old 05-06-2018, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I said multinationals. You can claim there would be no multinationals in your system so we can just replace that term with companies.

The company with the most wealth (from excess power) can and will use their unequal power to buy the means of production and thereby control the economy of that area.

That’s what happened in Libya and elsewhere, there were no local companies with nearly the same amount of power so one was able to dominate over the other.
There is no excess wealth that could lead to such power in capitalism because currency is not monopolized and private property must be rightfully owned.
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