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Old 05-09-2018, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Foolish statement. Capitalism produces based off the needs of the market, not one individual. The MoP are public utilities so if you want something for yourself you can produce it for yourself. There is no monopoly on production capabilities.
did you or did you not type this????
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Production is handled based off the needs of the community
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the fact is that under Marxism you LOSE individualism

Marxism (communism) there is no such thing as money, you work for the needs of commune who dictates what you do, when you do, how much you do,..... for no pay (because there is no such thing as money) your reward for your slavery to the commune,...your basic NEEDS (as the commune dictates) and that is it


no longer the needs of the individual,......
not longer what the wants/desires of the individual are
no longer the failure or the successes of the individual..


that my friend is slavery to the commune and its 'leadership'..

yes I did say leadership.....why....because there will ALWAYS be some sort of leadership,..... always be that one charismatic or voicetress person(s) to lead the MOB, tell then what their needs are....... that is human nature.....to say that Marxism wont have an authoritarian or singular leaders...is a lie




no longer will individuals be able to do their desires of painting or whatnot, nope, you are enslaved to the needs of the masses

under Marxism(communism) there is no longer the thing called money, your needs are based on the communes needs, your labor is based on the communes needs, you are GRANTED your basic needs and nothing else..... yep a good thing of, no more failures...but on the same hand no more successes, no more doing your desired profession/work, now your labor all for the needs of the commune and its leadership, who do thrive much more than the common man/woman......
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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He has many contemporaries including Yanis varoufakis. I post his videos to show the point he’s making. Wolff is a good man.
He's a hypocrite and a racist. He's also a statist crony capitalist. He's Bernie Sanders only a tick to the Left.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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He's a hypocrite and a racist. He's also a statist crony capitalist. He's Bernie Sanders only a tick to the Left.
I care more for what he’s saying then who he is. Like I said there many others who could hold his torch.

With that being said, do you have any links to suggest he’s a racist (I couldn’t find any)?
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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did you or did you not type this????
???


the fact is that under Marxism you LOSE individualism

Marxism (communism) there is no such thing as money, you work for the needs of commune who dictates what you do, when you do, how much you do,..... for no pay (because there is no such thing as money) your reward for your slavery to the commune,...your basic NEEDS (as the commune dictates) and that is it


no longer the needs of the individual,......
not longer what the wants/desires of the individual are
no longer the failure or the successes of the individual..


that my friend is slavery to the commune and its 'leadership'..

yes I did say leadership.....why....because there will ALWAYS be some sort of leadership,..... always be that one charismatic or voicetress person(s) to lead the MOB, tell then what their needs are....... that is human nature.....to say that Marxism wont have an authoritarian or singular leaders...is a lie




no longer will individuals be able to do their desires of painting or whatnot, nope, you are enslaved to the needs of the masses

under Marxism(communism) there is no longer the thing called money, your needs are based on the communes needs, your labor is based on the communes needs, you are GRANTED your basic needs and nothing else..... yep a good thing of, no more failures...but on the same hand no more successes, no more doing your desired profession/work, now your labor all for the needs of the commune and its leadership, who do thrive much more than the common man/woman......
The individual does exist in anarchy-syndicalism. Your problem is understanding that the community and the individual aren’t separate entities.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Your problem is with existence again. It's sad you can't understand this fact. This is why Marxism always fails. He believed a forced State (the one you're promoting) would lead to psychological changes in people to the point a State wouldn't be needed.
I don’t believe in a state, or even the state stage like Marx. If the economy is developed to the point where a majority of private revenue is being handled from worker managed facilities the entire equity/stock market system will collapse and soon the state its upholding will go to as imperialism and neo-colonialism will no longer be necessary.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Chomsky’s not an economist but this is a good watch (I didn’t watch all of it being as it’s an hour long).


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc6AgXVNNsY
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:40 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Marxism has killed how many people again?
Marxism allows how much liberty again?
Christianity looks better everyday you find the truth.
(and I'm not Christian)
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Marxism has killed how many people again?
Marxism allows how much liberty again?
Christianity looks better everyday you find the truth.
(and I'm not Christian)
It brought freedom here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapati...nal_Liberation
and here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia
and here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sankara

Not all forms of Marxism are the same.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I only looked at the Catalonia one - sounds horrific. Just as well it only lasted three years.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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the Zapatista terrorists brought freedom??? not likely
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