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Old 05-09-2018, 07:42 AM
 
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Ahh, what a fun morning. All the libs congratulating Pompeo, pretending Trump had nothing to do with the release.
Not all but most it seems.

They do bring to light the very worst that liberals offer in the political arena. The inability and unwillingness of the left to unite in a common cause that hurts no one and benefits all Americans. They are the lowest of the low.

 
Old 05-09-2018, 07:44 AM
 
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Let's get real --many folks here throw out insulting sweeing generalizations about liberals and not giving Trump credit.

But But But....

if this had been Obama negotiating with North Korea right now -- and even with the release of these guys -- there would be criticism from the conservatives.

They aren't real American heroes, what has he given up, etc.

Let's not pretend that only liberals find fault with conservative leaders, conservatives can never find good with liberal leaders either.

Ye
 
Old 05-09-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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Name calling, personal attacks...that is not diplomacy.
Yeah but, they started it.

No, I actually agree with you on these particular examples. I think taking a strong-but-silent approach would be a better way to deal with his critics (basically, just flat out ignore them and respect their right to express disagreement).
 
Old 05-09-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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Name calling, personal attacks...that is not diplomacy.
Its new style and effective diplomacy that dictators understand.
Granted its not the failed approach of cookie cutter puppets of past politicians.
We elected someone new because we wanted something new and different and its work out better than we could have ever hoped for.

Trump doesn't say the serious issues and problems are to difficult to solve.
He doesn't kick the can down the road like so many others have done.
He takes the issues and confronts them and its about dam time we have someone like that.
Trump doesn't quit or give up. That is the biggest difference between him and the others in the GOP.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 07:47 AM
 
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Not all but most it seems.

They do bring to light the very worst that liberals offer in the political arena. The inability and unwillingness of the left to unite in a common cause that hurts no one and benefits all Americans. They are the lowest of the low.
How does these three guys being released benefit ALL Americans?

These three guys came to the USA -- spent 10 years getting their citizenship and then they went back to their 'homeland'.

They then called on the USA govt. to bail them out when they got themselves into trouble.

It is good that Pompeo and Trump got them released. It is a great humanitarian effort.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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TWO of the three were arrested in 2017 - under Trump's watch - but sure - blame Obama.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 07:50 AM
 
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Its new style and effective diplomacy that dictators understand.
Granted its not the failed approach of cookie cutter puppets of past politicians.
We elected someone new because we wanted something new and different and its work out better than we could have ever hoped for.

Trump doesn't say the serious issues and problem are to difficult to solve.
He doesn't kick the can down the road like so many others have done.
He takes the issues and confronts them and its about dam time we have someone like that.
You crack me up. Thank you -- entertaining always.

I will point out the obvious -- the moment there is success is when Trump reverts back to the cookie cutter approach to diplomacy. You get a guy that knows how to talk, what to do and send him over. And BAM results.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 07:55 AM
 
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And it didn't cost us hundreds of millions of dollars, like 44 paid to the Iranians to get back our people.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 08:02 AM
 
Location: SacTown
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Oh dear -- you do have have problems with understanding things.

Obama did not give Iran billions and billions of dollars.

Iran got their money back.

It was never American money.

This is good -- but this is not an Obama vs. Trump battle.

Obama had no game here. One of the three was detained during the last 8 months of Obama's Presidency. It took Trump over a year to negotiate the release of the two arrested last April/May -- Obama would have needed at least the same time in order for all o fyou to think this was some kind of 'equal' opportunity contest.

And it isn't a contest.

Pompeo did a great job.

funny how quick this came together with him on board.
We should have at least gotten our 5 Americans (that’s still kept hostage) back from Iran after giving them billions of dollars and agreeing on a crappy Nuclear deal, but we got jack squat
 
Old 05-09-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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We should have at least gotten our 5 Americans (that’s still kept hostage) back from Iran after giving them billions of dollars and agreeing on a crappy Nuclear deal, but we got jack squat
But if we had -- wouldn't conservatives accuse Obama of paying for hostages -- what we aren't suppose to do.

And Trump's new found diplomacy skills -- why didn't he choose to sit with Iran and negotiate for these hostages in Iran for maintaining some kind of deal with Iran.

Maybe that's to come. Maybe that's part of Trump's strategy now. Leave the deal -- and then come back to the table....and use this as a negotiating chip.

That would be very good.
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