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They roughly both have 8.8 million people although London city is growing faster. The actual murder rate as you can see in NYC, while still one of the lowest in the U.S is more than twice that of London.
Why not just compare oh....London to London when trying to make a point about how things have or have not changed?
You're introducing all kinds of other variables when you drag NY into the discussion. Things like culture, gun ownership, gang patterns etc. etc. etc.
Just seems like an odd logical attempt like "My favorite Soccer player "Pete" has not slowed down with age, see, he's faster than "bob" on the other team!"
They roughly both have 8.8 million people although London city is growing faster. The actual murder rate as you can see in NYC, while still one of the lowest in the U.S is more than twice that of London.
Why NY? There are cities with a much higher murder rate in the US. NY doesn't even make the list.
The "hell" that is London is starting to do it again, with roughly the same population as NYC (London- 8.8 million, NYC- 8.6 million) London currently has 63 homicides while NYC has 83. Take in mind even with one of London's "worst" years since the peak of 181 in 2007, and NYC seeing the best rates since 1950's America, NYC is simply outpacing London and while it might finish with another historic low, London may again this year have a murder rate lower than all 50, that's right all 50 U.S States.
Yet we will manage to see the cries of multiculturalism has ruined London and NYC, yet London is still nowhere as violent as it was in it's much more "mono-cultural" 1990s (London was 80% White almost 75% White British, Today it is 45% British White and 60% white overall with half the murder rate. and NYC is hitting the same rate as 1950 NYC which was 85% white (rough estimate as it is hard to separate White Hispanics). Clearly these multicultural cities are two of the most successful cities in the world, by any measure, especially crime. This is especially highlighted with more "mono-cultural" cities across the U.K including their former murder capital of the U.K of Glasgow, which even with a massive decrease in murder rates by over 50% managed 12 murders for 600,000 people or 2.0 murders per 100,000 (which is still higher than London's 1.4 last year). Glasgow is 88% white/ almost all Scottish or English.
Clearly the huge amounts of minorities in either of these cities has not lead to them drowning in crime, even the recent murder spike in London is small fries compared to the average American suburban region let alone city. Their were hordes of people protesting a murder rate jumping from 0.9 murders per 100,000 to 1.4 murders per 100,000 over 3-4 years, this fluctuation is often much greater as a percentage and more pronounced in many cities across America yet most of the time we just shrug and move on with our lives as seen in Des Moines and Huntington last year-
This was in response to a thread. The conservatives were comparing London to NYC because for a few weeks London's murder rate was higher than NYC, and articles were pushing it. They said it happened because of "multiculturalism", and I was fighting that London was going to have a lower murder rate period and one month is irrelevant in the discussion.
Many of those cities like NOLA, Memphis, Benton Harbor, Detroit, Baltimore, Compton, Saint Louis are not "diverse". Populated by 90% one or two races does not mean diverse in fact it means the opposite. Houston, Stockton and Chicago are the only ones that can be argued to be diverse cities. The latter is super segregated so it's arguably not diverse either on a neighborhood level.
Why not just compare oh....London to London when trying to make a point about how things have or have not changed?
You're introducing all kinds of other variables when you drag NY into the discussion. Things like culture, gun ownership, gang patterns etc. etc. etc.
Just seems like an odd logical attempt like "My favorite Soccer player "Pete" has not slowed down with age, see, he's faster than "bob" on the other team!"
So the year 2023, has just ended and yet again the doom and gloom that many Conservatives foresaw happening in London not only hasn’t happened but 2023 might have been one of if not the safest year in London history when it comes to homicide. 2014 had 94 homicides but roughly half a million less people, so numerically that’s the lowest year.
A total of 103 people were killed in London in 2023. The numbers are subjected to change but that’s the rough estimate.
The city of London as of last census is 8.8 million people.
With this low number of deaths in the city this year, its homicide rate is 1.17 per 100,000. This is lower than every state in the United States of America.
So the year 2023, has just ended and yet again the doom and gloom that many Conservatives foresaw happening in London not only hasn’t happened but 2023 might have been one of if not the safest year in London history when it comes to homicide. 2014 had 94 homicides but roughly half a million less people, so numerically that’s the lowest year.
A total of 103 people were killed in London in 2023. The numbers are subjected to change but that’s the rough estimate.
The city of London as of last census is 8.8 million people.
With this low number of deaths in the city this year, its homicide rate is 1.17 per 100,000. This is lower than every state in the United States of America.
You started the thread and nobody has posted to it in over 4 years.
Certainly, I don't recall anyone really giving 2 figs about London around here as that's their business and they have a low homicide rate.
In fact, their killings went up after this thread was created then (thankfully) declined.
Nobody showed up all that time to post about the increase.
So, not sure whom these conservatives are perhaps on brit forums? But it's apparent nobody around here has cared.
The "hell" that is London is starting to do it again, with roughly the same population as NYC (London- 8.8 million, NYC- 8.6 million) London currently has 63 homicides while NYC has 83. Take in mind even with one of London's "worst" years since the peak of 181 in 2007, and NYC seeing the best rates since 1950's America, NYC is simply outpacing London and while it might finish with another historic low, London may again this year have a murder rate lower than all 50, that's right all 50 U.S States.
Yet we will manage to see the cries of multiculturalism has ruined London and NYC, yet London is still nowhere as violent as it was in it's much more "mono-cultural" 1990s (London was 80% White almost 75% White British, Today it is 45% British White and 60% white overall with half the murder rate. and NYC is hitting the same rate as 1950 NYC which was 85% white (rough estimate as it is hard to separate White Hispanics). Clearly these multicultural cities are two of the most successful cities in the world, by any measure, especially crime. This is especially highlighted with more "mono-cultural" cities across the U.K including their former murder capital of the U.K of Glasgow, which even with a massive decrease in murder rates by over 50% managed 12 murders for 600,000 people or 2.0 murders per 100,000 (which is still higher than London's 1.4 last year). Glasgow is 88% white/ almost all Scottish or English.
Clearly the huge amounts of minorities in either of these cities has not lead to them drowning in crime, even the recent murder spike in London is small fries compared to the average American suburban region let alone city. Their were hordes of people protesting a murder rate jumping from 0.9 murders per 100,000 to 1.4 murders per 100,000 over 3-4 years, this fluctuation is often much greater as a percentage and more pronounced in many cities across America yet most of the time we just shrug and move on with our lives as seen in Des Moines and Huntington last year-
I remember when I used to travel to the UK regularly that you couldn't compare murder rates in the US and UK because the UK rate does not include 'manslaughter' and the US rate did. And it was generally agreed by criminologists that the UK 'homicide' rate was higher than the US. May have changed because this was about 20 years ago.
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