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Old 05-05-2018, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Trump likes to brag about GDP growth and low unemployment -- he can't do it without California's contribution. And then nearly every day somebody (usually an out-of-stater) will post something anti-California bleating about poverty rates, homeless, or junkies in the downtown L.A. or S.F., making it sound like the whole state is bad. It isn't.

California: No. 5 economy in the whole world. Americans in all 50 states should be saying "job well done" as a matter of national pride, not trashing us.
They are in debt up to their eyeballs. Since when does someone tell a person with an outstanding $20,000 credit card bill with no hope of paying it off, job well done?

“That burden equates to $21,600 for every California taxpayer.”

Texas is just as bad.

But yes we have a few on here that play the bash California game instead of talking about the actual policies.
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Old 05-05-2018, 01:33 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Homeless people are a side effect of capitalism. [NOPE] As wealth increases, so does cost of living. [NOPE]Look at the rest of the world, none of the other successful major cities are cheap (i.e. Singapore, Hong Kong, Tokyo, London, Paris, Sao Paolo etc)
[humor flag missing?]
Capitalism, which is merely the private ownership of the means of production, and has zero to do with "capitalist" corporations (limited liability artificial persons with the PRIVILEGE to exist) and usury (banking) or the scarcity of money tokens.

Capitalism has been the whipping boy for the left wing slavers since the 19th century, despite the fact that collectivism generally involves violence (90+ million killed in the 20th century alone), and / or deception to partially implement it (part -time slavery).

And wealth, denominated in money tokens, has nothing to do with prosperity.
IF money really cured poverty, crediting everyone with a billion billion money tokens should eliminate all "need" for money. But what happens when no one bothers to work or trade their property for money that they no longer "need"?
Even the starving children are phenomenally wealthy.

In reality, prosperity is based on the prodigious production of surplus usable goods and services, equitably traded. . . not money.

Money madness - the belief that money has an intrinsic value independent of the marketplace - is one of the major causes of poverty and suffering.

We all can see there is unmet need, un(der)employment, and unused production facilities (closed factories, stores, lost industries).
What is stopping people from trading for their needs? Getting hired? Running factories? Selling more ?

Ans: Money... as in “No one has enough money!”
And yet we can see that an equal distribution of money is no remedy.
- - -
WHO controls the creation and trade value of new money tokens?
WHO imposes the "need" for money?
The producers or the parasites?

What happens when the producers can create their own mediums of exchange to facilitate equitable trade of their production when barter is insufficient?
(Utter collapse of socialist governments, banking and other institutions of usury - wuh woh!)
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Old 05-05-2018, 01:40 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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California is great, all the homeless people love the weather there.
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Old 05-05-2018, 01:57 AM
 
Location: Japan
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Yeah, exactly, I don't see Hong Kong or Singapore or Tokyo having $500/month one bedroom apartments right in the heart of town....
I don't see Tokyo having masses of homeless crapping in the street, people holed up in gated communities afraid to walk around outside after dark or students who can't graduate high school because the can't do algebra.
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Old 05-05-2018, 02:19 AM
 
Location: southern california
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I don't see Tokyo having masses of homeless crapping in the street, people holed up in gated communities afraid to walk around outside after dark or students who can't graduate high school because the can't do algebra.
There are huge homeless camps in tokyo
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Old 05-05-2018, 04:23 AM
 
Location: Japan
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There are huge homeless camps in tokyo
No.
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The number of homeless residents in New York City, the largest city in the United States, reached a record high this month at more than 56,000 people. Halfway around the world, another metropolis recently hit a homeless record of its own: just 1,697 people are currently homeless in Tokyo, also its country’s largest city and the most populated city in the world, a record low since surveys began in 2002.
What’s even more surprising than the discrepancy in homeless populations between the two cities is the fact that Tokyo, at 13.4 million people, is larger than New York City (8.4 million people) and Los Angeles (3.9 million people) combined. While the rate of homelessness in New York is currently 67 for every 10,000 people, in Tokyo there is just one homeless individual for every 10,000 city residents.
... and they don't even panhandle, let alone shoot up and defecate on the sidewalk.

Homeless in Japan: 6,235.

Homeless in California: 114,000

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Old 05-05-2018, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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No.

... and they don't even panhandle, let alone shoot up and defecate on the sidewalk.

Homeless in Japan: 6,235.

Homeless in California: 114,000
Funny you don't mention Mumbai or Sao Paolo, which are both big and expensive and have huge populations that are either homeless or live in favelas
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Old 05-05-2018, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Nevada
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https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/...38385628712960

Trump likes to brag about GDP growth and low unemployment -- he can't do it without California's contribution. And then nearly every day somebody (usually an out-of-stater) will post something anti-California bleating about poverty rates, homeless, or junkies in the downtown L.A. or S.F., making it sound like the whole state is bad. It isn't.

California: No. 5 economy in the whole world. Americans in all 50 states should be saying "job well done" as a matter of national pride, not trashing us.
Nobody here is trashing your state, ask the people who moved out of California in recent years and they'll say plenty about it, including me. Number 5 economy in the world doesn't necessarily make it the best place to live, if that is in fact a legitimate claim.

https://www.aier.org/article/america...me-governments
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Old 05-05-2018, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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I don't live in California but I think red states that trash California are foolish. California leads the way in so many industries.
CA leads the way in:
Illegals
Homeless
Income inequality
debt
worst quality of life in the country (best are 'flyover' states) https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...s-12713468.php

Yeah California!
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Old 05-05-2018, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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California is doomed. Everyone has seen the articles on people leaving due to the high housing costs. Some companies are now locating their offices in the "new hip" cities. The real problem is going to come down to liberals trying to solve this problem with socialist policies. It will end in complete disaster. Bump this post in 10 years when this comes to reality.
This was said about California TEN YEARS AGO.
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