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Old 05-05-2018, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Easy liberal solution to that, give free college to everyone , then everyone will have bachelors degrees
Tennessee is doing exactly that.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/new...ege/342665002/
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Old 05-05-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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So whose fault is it if someone is say 40 or 50 but still working minimum wage .

And I don’t want to hear , the “they don’t have time to learn new skills “ or “they have kids “

Others have done it with far worse circumstances .

How about starting a business or legal “hustling” ?

This is a whole other issue but I don’t think people should just be looking at their job as the whole source of income . Especially if the job is low paying . But even for people making larger salaries .

It doesn’t cost anything to open an account to sell on eBay or Craigslist . Just as an example .
Its not realistic to expect everyone to have above average IQ and above average social skills and above average work rate (yes, research shows work rate is largely genetic something people have no control over). Someone has to be the garbage collector and childcare worker, store clerk, nursing home worker etc. We cant just tell them to go get a "real job" or go to hell. They are humans too, just like the rest of us.

I fail to see why its so bad to make sure people become less dependent on government to survive and everyone that work can be self sufficient and have a pretty good standard of living. When we dont do that, it only leads to poverty, drug abuse, illegal immigration, child abuse and all sorts of crime. We as a society pay a big price.
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Old 05-05-2018, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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They can pay such low wage because workers have poor bargaining position even in a healthy job market. Unions are crushed, the minimum wage is eroded. Most sensible people will still not rather work at McDonalds than a job with better career prospects. Unlike what some people think, the starting wage is not the only reason for people choosing a job. Status matter alot as well.
There should be unions available for every worker in America.
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Old 05-05-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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Someone will come along that CAN afford to operate a business with these wages though, its not like restaurants are just going to close down, they will adapt and make it work, some may go under, but others will take their place too.

Thats just another aspect to capitalism, not every business can afford swanky locations.
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Old 05-05-2018, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Its not realistic to expect everyone to have above average IQ and above average social skills and above average work rate (yes, research shows work rate is largely genetic something people have no control over). Someone has to be the garbage collector and childcare worker, store clerk, nursing home worker etc. We cant just tell them to go get a "real job" or go to hell. They are humans too, just like the rest of us.

I fail to see why its so bad to make sure people become less dependent on government to survive and everyone that work can be self sufficient and have a pretty good standard of living. When we dont do that, it only leads to poverty, drug abuse, illegal immigration, child abuse and all sorts of crime. We as a society pay a big price.
Profit margins aren’t high enough unfortunately for all businesses . A business needs to make a profit to stay in business . People don’t need a high IQ to make money that’s not true .

By making it harder for the types of businesses that rely on lower skilled labor to operate .. you don’t see how that is actually bad for those workers ?

Everything is local of course . Parts of the country average rents are $500 a month or so .. but NYC you are talking like $2500 .

The problem .. these businesses don’t make much more just because they are in NYC .

If you look at profit margins by industry they are about the same across different states for the most part .

A big part of the problem is that people don’t realize how low profit margins are even for those businesses that are really well run .

They think if you buy a sandwich for $10 the place is making a killing because “I can make one at home for X “

They don’t add up all the costs .
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Old 05-05-2018, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Someone will come along that CAN afford to operate a business with these wages though, its not like restaurants are just going to close down, they will adapt and make it work, some may go under, but others will take their place too.

Thats just another aspect to capitalism, not every business can afford swanky locations.
But will the new business be a place where these workers are qualified to work ?

Or will it be a tech startup , law firm or something like that ?

I see this actually pushing gentrification .. another thing the left claims they hate .
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Old 05-05-2018, 11:08 AM
 
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Profit margins aren’t high enough unfortunately for all businesses . A business needs to make a profit to stay in business . People don’t need a high IQ to make money that’s not true .

By making it harder for the types of businesses that rely on lower skilled labor to operate .. you don’t see how that is actually bad for those workers ?

Everything is local of course . Parts of the country average rents are $500 a month or so .. but NYC you are talking like $2500 .

The problem .. these businesses don’t make much more just because they are in NYC .

If you look at profit margins by industry they are about the same across different states for the most part .

A big part of the problem is that people don’t realize how low profit margins are even for those businesses that are really well run .

They think if you buy a sandwich for $10 the place is making a killing because “I can make one at home for X “

They don’t add up all the costs .
This sounds like a meek and submissive attitude. Profits arent high enough so we must transfer more of the national income into the hands of the business class and tell working stiffs to go pound sand? I disagree with that. Everyone simply cant be expected to be above average, whether its work rate, IQ, social skills or something else. Its simply not possible. Since the 1960s, the typical male worker has barely seen much increase in wages, while overall profits and the wealth of the rich have skyrocketed. We can do better than that. Joe Sixpack deserves a raise and that can only happen when workers band together in unions. An average working stiff is like a lone ranger up against a well-equipped platoon (concentrated capital). Of course he will lose.
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Old 05-05-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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This sounds like a meek and submissive attitude. Profits arent high enough so we must transfer more of the national income into the hands of the business class and tell working stiffs to go pound sand? I disagree with that. Everyone simply cant be expected to be above average, whether its work rate, IQ, social skills or something else. Its simply not possible. Since the 1960s, the typical male worker has barely seen much increase in wages, while overall profits and the wealth of the rich have skyrocketed. We can do better than that. Joe Sixpack deserves a raise and that can only happen when workers band together in unions. An average working stiff is like a lone ranger up against a well-equipped platoon (concentrated capital). Of course he will lose.
Removing 10 million illegal immigrants would help increase minimum wage the correct way (supply and demand). But the dims don't want to loose their votes.
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Old 05-05-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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There should be unions available for every worker in America.
Definitely. And the democratic party must stop playing games by refusing to fix minimum wages to the overall income of the nation (like GDP per capita), instead cynically allowing the minimum wage to erode in order to rally the base every two years.
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Old 05-05-2018, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Florida
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But will the new business be a place where these workers are qualified to work ?

Or will it be a tech startup , law firm or something like that ?

I see this actually pushing gentrification .. another thing the left claims they hate .
I see it as economic evolution.
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