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Old 05-06-2018, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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No, it isn't. If a person isn't earning enough to support themselves, it's actually better for them to be unemployed which allows them to have time to search for a job that pays better, job training, or some other means of improving their circumstances. What's not acceptable? Blaming the piddly minimum wage law on businesses going bankrupt. Businesses go bankrupt because they can't compete with other businesses; nothing else.
So if an employee isn’t earning enough to support themselves because their skills aren’t competitive enough it’s not their fault ..

But when a business owners fails to support themselves .. it’s always their fault .

Sounds legit ...
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Old 05-06-2018, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Well, maybe they should go and be happily poor somewhere else, instead of dragging America's poor down. Richest poor people on the planet huh? Boy, they sure are lucky to be poor in America.
They are lucky to be poor in America. I'm black and was born poor in America. Now I'm no longer poor.

It sure as hell beats being born poor in Africa.

If you're going to be born poor in the world, America is the place to be. The poor have iphones, ipads, flat screen tvs, smartphones, section 8 vouchers, food stamps, welfare, rent controlled housing, leased luxury cars, and the assurance of liberals to forever fund their lifestyle. The richest poor people on earth.
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Old 05-06-2018, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Huge article in our newspaper today about the McDonalds going to automation. There will only be 1 clerk at checkout - you order your food and pay with an automated kiosk. It then went on to say - this is what people want. So there go the jobs of many of the people who use to cashier and many of the other fast food/restaurants are going to be implementing the same type of automation within the nest 5 years.

We said this would happen when they talked about raising the minimum wage. The money would have been better spent on re-education programs.
So you think that if there were no minimum wage hikes businesses wouldn't automate?
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Old 05-06-2018, 05:01 PM
 
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The poor people in this country have it good, we have the richest poor people on the planet

The poor in Mexico, Somalia, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc. laugh at the poor in this country. And routinely cross the border or overstay their visa to happily be poor in this county instead of their own.


Exactly!


While the extent of bennies does vary by state/local area the "poor" are treated *VERY* well in this country as opposed to many other places.


Just go anywhere south of the border (Mexico right on down through South America), to get an idea of just how soft the poor here have things.


Public education is *free* in the USA, no book or other fees. If your child has special needs if local public school system cannot accommodate (and that is a very lose term) by law local district must pay for that child to attend any private school of parents choosing.


And so it goes. Here in NY housing is a *right*, which means if you cannot provide the city and or state must. The social service budget for NYC is larger than the entire of many small urban areas and or probably some small countries.
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Old 05-06-2018, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Exactly!


While the extent of bennies does vary by state/local area the "poor" are treated *VERY* well in this country as opposed to many other places.
More liberals need to travel outside the country and see that poor people have it good in America. I went to Thailand and let's just say, I found a new appreciation of being born in America.

The poor people have opportunity in this country, if they're too lazy that's their own fault. But I've been to countries where there is no opportunity, zero, it just doesn't exist.

How can people of others countries feel sorry for the poor in America? They don't they just laugh.
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Old 05-06-2018, 05:12 PM
 
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So people should be happy to work for slave wages because someone else made a poor business decision?
If you have to have employees to run your business successfully, your financial plan should have included the costs of paying those employees a living wage.
If it didn’t, you shouldn’t be in business.
You don’t get to whine about the high costs of doing business if your business model requires exploitation of your workforce.

Ridiculous.
What is "ridiculous" is the fact many of you seem ignorant of fact minimum wage jobs (including restaurant work) are just that; low skilled and thus not well compensated forms of employment. Some choose such jobs out of choice (actors and others back in the day waited tables, drove taxis, etc... because they valued flexibility of the jobs among other things). Others took or still take such employment since it is the best they get.


Restaurants have been around for hundreds of years and for much of that history the jobs didn't pay very well. But then again you didn't have Masters or PhD holders doing such work unless there was a back story.


Now because so many made poor choices in their lives and or for other reasons find themselves only able to land minimum wage employment the world is going to be turned upside down to accommodate. This will likely end in tears I can assure you.


Let me remind you of two terms from introduction level economics courses; inelastic and elastic.


Not every business, provider of goods/services or whatever has the luxury of passing along increased costs. When such a situation arises there are really only two options; owner/shareholders must "eat" the losses, and or the place simply goes out of business. That is simply all there is to it.
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Old 05-06-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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Well, maybe they should go and be happily poor somewhere else, instead of dragging America's poor down. Richest poor people on the planet huh? Boy, they sure are lucky to be poor in America.

Lots of folks here of a similar mindset it seems. Reminds me of this........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHFZBUTA4k

According to every world standard, the poorest Americans are filthy rich. There’s no absolute poverty here.

There is only lack of morality.

Forcing people to pay for the labor at above fair market rate is slavery.
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Old 05-06-2018, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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According to every world standard, the poorest Americans are filthy rich. There’s no absolute poverty here.

There is only lack of morality.

Forcing people to pay for the labor at above fair market rate is slavery.
The fact that you think anyone is worth less than $7.25/hr shows your own lack of morality
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Old 05-06-2018, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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According to every world standard, the poorest Americans are filthy rich. There’s no absolute poverty here.

There is only lack of morality.

Forcing people to pay for the labor at above fair market rate is slavery.
So what if there was no minimum wage and so a common low pay fair market rate is $3 an hour. Isn't that still slavery?
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Old 05-06-2018, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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No, doesn't work that way. Businesses can afford to grow, and hire. Those jobs aren't meant to support families. If you want to support a family get a better job, or acquire the skills necessary to get a better job.
Then why the hell do I always see several older adults working when I go to fast food places? Maybe one reason they are there is because restaurants won't hire them.

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