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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
Plenty of people are worth less than $7.25/hour. They either don't have the skills or don't have the work ethics.
How much would you pay for a drug addict to clean your house? He doesn't show up on time, only does half of the work if he shows up, and he frequently breaks stuff.
What is "ridiculous" is the fact many of you seem ignorant of fact minimum wage jobs (including restaurant work) are just that; low skilled and thus not well compensated forms of employment. Some choose such jobs out of choice (actors and others back in the day waited tables, drove taxis, etc... because they valued flexibility of the jobs among other things). Others took or still take such employment since it is the best they get.
Restaurants have been around for hundreds of years and for much of that history the jobs didn't pay very well. But then again you didn't have Masters or PhD holders doing such work unless there was a back story.
Now because so many made poor choices in their lives and or for other reasons find themselves only able to land minimum wage employment the world is going to be turned upside down to accommodate. This will likely end in tears I can assure you.
Let me remind you of two terms from introduction level economics courses; inelastic and elastic.
Not every business, provider of goods/services or whatever has the luxury of passing along increased costs. When such a situation arises there are really only two options; owner/shareholders must "eat" the losses, and or the place simply goes out of business. That is simply all there is to it.
So, you are saying that because something has been a certain way for years and years, it should stay that way?
A rather round-about way of saying that business owners must be allowed to exploit their workers in order to stay in business.
Because they always have.
If employers can't pay employees a fair wage, maybe they shouldn't be in business.
$15 minimum wage is high for the US on average, but considering the extremely high cost of living in NYC, it seems like a low number.
Companies who pay employees at federal minimum wage should advertise "we are paying our employees the minimum required by law". At this point we should all know that if we didn't have a minimum wage, they'd pay even less.
You're WRONG. It's certainly not so in Oklahoma. There, it's against state law for a city or county to raise the minimum wage, which is $7.25 an hour.
But its not against the law for a business to pay more than minimum wage for a minimum wage type of job.
I have seen convenience stores in OKC that offer 12 an hour to start.
In a good economy like we have now there is upward pressure on wages.
Problem is when businesses are forced to pay a high minimum wage prices go up and the people making minimum wage have to pay more for everything and that defeats the whole purpose of raising minimum wages.
Best way to help people stuck in minimum wage jobs is training and education. Develop a job skill that is worth more than $7 or even $15 per hour.
So, you are saying that because something has been a certain way for years and years, it should stay that way?
A rather round-about way of saying that business owners must be allowed to exploit their workers in order to stay in business.
Because they always have.
What exploitation? If both parties, employer and employee, agree to the conditions, where's exploitation?
If the workers feel like being exploited, they are free to refuse to work.
The true exploitation comes out when the employers are forced against their will and at gunpoint to pay certain wage!
If employers can't pay employees a fair wage, maybe they shouldn't be in business.
$15 minimum wage is high for the US on average, but considering the extremely high cost of living in NYC, it seems like a low number.
Companies who pay employees at federal minimum wage should advertise "we are paying our employees the minimum required by law". At this point we should all know that if we didn't have a minimum wage, they'd pay even less.
Who are you to say what a fair wage is?
Whether it is fair or not should be decided by the parties involved, no?
Last edited by lifeexplorer; 05-07-2018 at 12:34 PM..
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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How much would you pay him?
If he were out of rehab and clean, I would pay him whatever minimum is (currently $10.50/hr here) until he could prove himself to at least show up and follow directions, and go from there. But an ideal candidate (i.e. not hooked on anything) I would start at $15/hr
If he were out of rehab and clean, I would pay him whatever minimum is (currently $10.50/hr here) until he could prove himself to at least show up and follow directions, and go from there. But an ideal candidate (i.e. not hooked on anything) I would start at $15/hr
Even he breaks your stuff? Hey, that's your call.
How about a bunch of us get together and force you to pay him $50/hour? If you don't agree, we'll send you police with their guns to put you in jail.
So many businesses started with little to no initial funding.
.....and that is why they go under.
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