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Old 05-09-2018, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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When you posted that, you didn't seem to understand "why" the Swiss don't need a minimum wage. Let me remind you of the reasons why a minimum wage is irrelevant to the Swiss:



If we had collective bargaining or employment contracts as they do in Switzerland as well as a number of other European nations then we wouldn't be engaged in a race to the bottom but as it stands a minimum wage is the only thing that we have in place to protect workers from the worst abuses.
Yeah hiring someone and giving them a paycheck is really abusive .

You guys say ridiculous things like with no min wage people will make $1 hr .

People make more than that in China these days . Labor should depend on demand not on some arbitrary number thrown out by activists like $15 hr .
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:14 AM
 
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Yeah hiring someone and giving them a paycheck is really abusive .

You guys say ridiculous things like with no min wage people will make $1 hr .

People make more than that in China these days . Labor should depend on demand not on some arbitrary number thrown out by activists like $15 hr .
Even China has minimum wages. Shanghai's Minimum Wage to Rise April 1 - China Briefing News

In China, it increases every year by between 5-15% and is never allowed to erode over time.

Of course, China is still a developing country, but at this rate, it will surpass the minimum wage in America. Thats appalling. I dont understand what working stiffs think they are doing when they hitch their wagon to the oligarchy. Labor prices depend on the power struggle between labor and capital. Labor is always at a huge disadvantage and capital exploits that of course. When Paul Ryan told scary stories about how people getting health care would be terrible, he said it was because workers become less obedient and submissive when they are not afraid of losing the health care the family depend on. What an appalling view of fellow human beings.
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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Because people with empathy dont want anyone to die of cancer just because they were poor. But I understand that the "freedom fighters" in the libertarian crowd are wired differently than most sane people.
People with morals don't put a gun on other people's heads and force them to pay, wage or health care.

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Old 05-09-2018, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Why would anybody have to provide health care to you?
Because it takes a quarter million per year income to afford healthcare on your own, that is 1% of this country that earns that much. And no, the other 99% of us don't just want to go without
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:20 AM
 
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Because it takes a quarter million per year income to afford healthcare on your own, that is 1% of this country that earns that much. And no, the other 99% of us don't just want to go without
There's a thing called health insurance.

People with morals don't put a gun on other people's heads and force them to pay, wage or health care.
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I'm always fascinated how the very bottom of the economic barrel are the true destroyers of our economy to the American Right Wing. Forget the fact that we blow more money on defense, free R&D for private profit, corrupt private capitalist parasites taking the lion's share of the value created by labor...and on and on.

It's not that. It's the guys scrambling for a living wage who are the true problem. I have a hard time grasping why a middle class American would hitch their wagon to right wing politics...they don't care about you. You are the help. You are not one of them.
I never said low wage workers are the destroyers . It’s those that create bad policies .


The the middle class in America actually suffers most in liberal runs cities like NYC , SF and L.A

Most businesses are small businesses , not owned by huge corporations.
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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There's a thing called health insurance.

People with morals don't put a gun on other people's heads and force them to pay, wage or health care.
And there are things with insurance called co-pays and more importantly, deductibles
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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People with morals don't put a gun on other people's heads and force them to pay, wage or health care.

I agree that health care should be totally disconnected from employment. Its bad for employers, bad for employees and bad for the economy. But its good for sociopaths who want to exploit the dependent workers of course. Regarding morals, libertarians are just pushing hatred for the poor and advocating for blind people to get driver's licenses because government regulation is evil. Libertarians are so out of touch with everyday Americans its just comical.
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:26 AM
 
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There's a thing called health insurance.

People with morals don't put a gun on other people's heads and force them to pay, wage or health care.
Health insurance is a scam. They make money by denying people health care and use their immense power to crush the little guy, happy to see them die when they can earn a quick buck.

If these sociopathic entities want to operate in America, benefiting from America's many good aspects, they should be forced to comply with alot of things. Thats called morals. Unfortunately they are largely free to do what they want.
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:34 AM
 
Location: England
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There's a thing called health insurance.

People with morals don't put a gun on other people's heads and force them to pay, wage or health care.
You just said that same thing a few posts earlier. Why do you keep repeating yourself? It it some kind of mantra?
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