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Old 05-11-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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Go read up... pregnancy is more dangerous than abortion.
Given that rationale, every pregnancy should be aborted to preserve women's health. It's actually medical malpractice for a doctor to not do so as they knowingly endanger women's health by aiding and abetting an ongoing pregnancy.

 
Old 05-11-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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So you're admitting that state rules permit killing, but only if it's done by the mother. Many mothers consider having an infant, toddler, or young child "inconvenient." Can they kill them, too, at will?
What I mean is that fetal homicide laws do not apply to abortion.


Which is something a pregnant woman can do, by law.

A third person cannot go and take away the pregnant woman's right to carry a pregnancy to term, which would have resulted in a baby.

This is just another example of people not getting where they have no rights over a woman's body while she is pregnant.

That last part is just absurd and does not deserve a response.
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Old 05-11-2018, 10:41 AM
 
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No. Beacause they're viable and don't require a host.
They don't? Infants are capable of caring/providing for themselves? Since when?
 
Old 05-11-2018, 10:41 AM
 
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Given that rationale, every pregnancy should be aborted to preserve women's health. It's actually medical malpractice for a doctor to not do so as they knowingly endanger women's health by aiding and abetting an ongoing pregnancy.
It's not THAT dangerous to a healthy woman. If it was, we'd have far fewer woman living through childbirth.

But... it is still more dangerous than early abortion.
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Old 05-11-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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Given that rationale, every pregnancy should be aborted to preserve women's health. It's actually medical malpractice for a doctor to not do so as they knowingly endanger women's health by aiding and abetting an ongoing pregnancy.
Which is why OB/GYNs have the highest rate of malpractice suits and the most expensive malpractice insurance. And it's also why so many visits are required for prenatal care and a laundry list of tests, ultrasounds and monitoring. It is dangerous, very.
 
Old 05-11-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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My answer is to minimize every possible risk of an unwanted pregnancy.

Your answer is to shrug and say accidents happen, who cares.

Suppose I was a doctor who was operating on you. Which approach would you prefer? Mine or Yours?

How is outlawing abortions or the "heartbeat law" going to minimize risk of unwanted pregnancy?
As most doctors take precautions when preforming operations, and hopefully the anesthesiologist, nurses and everyone else involved does too, accidents/mistakes still happen. Just as most people take precautions to avoid unwanted pregnancies, accidents/mistakes still happen.
 
Old 05-11-2018, 10:43 AM
 
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They don't? Infants are capable of caring/providing for themselves? Since when?
They can survive outside the mother's body.

Nobody said they didn't need assistance in caring for their needs.

Come on... you will never be able to "gotcha" things like logic and medical fact.

Quit trying to somehow make it so it's okay to force women to give birth.
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Old 05-11-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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They don't? Infants are capable of caring/providing for themselves? Since when?
They can breathe on their own and don't require an amniotic environment in the womb to grow. But you knew that already.
 
Old 05-11-2018, 10:45 AM
 
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What I mean is that fetal homicide laws do not apply to abortion.
Killing is just as deadly by any other name (riff on 'a rose is just as sweet by any other name').

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A third person cannot go and take away the pregnant woman's right to carry a pregnancy to term, which would have resulted in a baby.

This is just another example of people not getting where they have no rights over a woman's body while she is pregnant.
Then men have the right to not be held financially responsible for any of their children. It's the same principle. She gets to choose. He gets to choose.
 
Old 05-11-2018, 10:46 AM
 
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They can survive outside the mother's body.
On their own? No they cannot.
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