Melinda Gates (Bill Gates wife) says President needs to have our moral and values!

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Originally Posted by craigiri

Are or can be?

I am one of those crazy people who think that most people CAN BE good. But we all have the other "natures" within us and there are many examples of this. Germans, arguably the most advanced and civilized people on the planet, became involved in "deplorable" situations due to leadership or lack thereof.

I think we must accept that people are often focused on things besides the big picture of what is best for all their fellow Americans and the world.

A certain percentage of Trump voters ACT deplorable. One needs to only visit the Breitbart comment sections as well as many others (Stormfront, etc.) to see and feel the HATE towards others which they express constantly. As to exactly what percentage this is, we can only guess.

Trump seems to bring out the worst in many people - so if only 1/8th of Trump voters are true deplorables...the latent folks who before were quiet now feel empowered to speak up and become deplorables themselves.

Those in the NAZI party never were more than 10% of the population. Those who supported them were probably triple that - still a vast minority. The rest were fearful and subject to the Gestapo, Compulsory Military Service, etc.

To summarize, most people are sheeple and influenced by events around them - either as "action" or as "reaction". Propaganda works....very well. When one considers that Trump lost the popular vote by quite a margin (biggest in history for an EC win) and that, even many of these votes were diluted by third parties and by Russian and other propagada, no one can claim Trump has a popular mandate (born out by his disapproval rate.

A reasonable and logical (not deplorable) POTUS in that position would understand that if he is to serve the majority of Americans, he should not follow policies of those who are a distinct minority. He should work the center. But he doesn't - he feeds off hate and conflict.

Nothing brings out the hate in people like being compared to NAZIS. *********r patronizing pseudointellectual babble.

[chad3]

Originally Posted by craigiri

You are effectively telling us that the Evangelicals have no sway on the GOP. Right? Because they don't each give a lot of money....

Its the GOP that has sway on Christians to the point the GOP gets Christians to abandon the philosophies of Jesus. And the GOP simply manipulates Christians with abortion issues and talk of God and prayer.

The GOP has swayed republican Christians to oppose welfare for the poor, to oppose healthcare for all, to desire a strong and aggressive military, to desire leaders who threaten other countries with military actions, to believe Gods chosen leaders sexually assault women and cheat on their wives, to desire torturing political prisoners, to desire the death penalty, to hate South American immigrants, to hate Muslims and Islam, to attack gay people and transsexuals, to oppose nation building in poor countries, ex.ex.

But they use large groups of people - many of them not directly corporate related - to achieve their goals.

Like they rally Christians, gun owners, welfare haters, South American haters, Muslim haters, gay and transsexual haters and war lovers.

Evangelicals and many religious folks are Authoritarian by nature - belonging to a hierarchical cult is almost the very definition of such. So they tend to do what the priest or their "flock of sheep" do.

It's more complicated than you make it seem.

You are correct. But all the non-paying groups that republicans manipulate have no actual political pull with republicans.

Did Reagan, GW Bush, or Donald Trump pass laws for their non-paying supporters like create an America where guns will forever remain legal or reform our welfare system? No, instead Washington republicans sit back while states pass new gun control laws left and right, and republicans have done nothing to reform our welfare system other than cut welfare programs to offset the cost of their supply side tax cuts.

Reagan, GW Bush, and Donald Trump passed no laws to benefit their non-paying supporters, but they all passed supply side tax cuts and corporate deregulation for the corporate interests that financed their political campaigns.

The only thing republican politicians give their non-paying supporters is low min wages, no healthcare, cuts to Social Security and Medicare, higher credit card and student loan interest rates, and weaker worker protections, ex.ex.


But I see your point and the republican party mechanism is much more complex than corporate political donations.

Chad.